So if a staff rider is hit by a car and they die from their head slapping against the ground, is this not a mega risk to this business that they didn't have a policy to mitigate a simple risk.
Pedal Me bans staff riders from wearing helmets for safety reasons
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#62This feels a bit like the narrator in "Fight Club" explaining "the formula" car manufacturers use. > Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. Pedal Me has done the math on what the average settlement for a traumatic brain injury to it…
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#63Maybe relevant: the Netherlands is probably the country with the highest use of bicycles for transport, yet no one, except for cyclists on racing bikes/MTBs or foreign tourists, ever wears a bike helmet. This is because they're only marginally effective at preventing injury, and the disadvantage of reduced cycling use if helmets are mandated results in far worse public health outcomes. See also https://dutchreview.com/culture/cycling/5-reasons-why-the-du...
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#64I've wondered about this phenomenon in general, that safety equipment could cause people to take more risks because it makes them feel safer. Many years ago on Monday night football John Madden remarked that some of the hits during games seemed to occur because players felt safe using their body as a missile. The protective gear allowed them to do that, while the old leather helmets of his era did not.
I know I've done incredibly risky things with equipment like wood chippers because I felt like their designs would let me stop them fast enough. I've hung off the back of boats at high speed because I had a GPS tracking radio collar on and felt confident if I fell off they'd find me. These things seemed to make sense at the time.
I've thought for a while that the best safety gear is training. Rail yards to this day show some unbelievably gory videos to inculcate people to the inherent risks present there. High vis gear, helmets, etc all are important but actually knowing the risks and owning them personally is essential.
Little of that seems applicable to this case though. I think wzdd's thinking is most accurate, unhelmeted passengers probably don't feel great looking ahead and seeing their driver's helmeted head.
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#65Helmets are trying to reduce an already tiny risk. We live in a world of safety fanaticism.
If you fall on asphalt without a helmet, you can very easily get seriously injured
I used to be an EMT. There was one week when I went to two different calls that illustrated this perfectly. Both riders middle aged, both at low speed. One wearing a helmet hit a pothole and had minor facial injuries despite going over the handlebars. The other no helmet and out of practice fell sideways and the first thing to hit the kerb was her head. She's permanently disabled and living in a care facility.
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#67This feels a bit like the narrator in "Fight Club" explaining "the formula" car manufacturers use. > Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. Pedal Me has done the math on what the average settlement for a traumatic brain injury to it…
I think the point is that you'll have less traumatic brain injuries without helmets than with helmets because you'll have less accidents over all and less severe ones.
If a cyclist have a helmet he and everyone around him behaves dumber. This was researched.
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#69Seems unreachable using Brave. Continually redirects.
I'm getting this as well
Same on iOS Safari. Forcibly redirects to an /amp/ suffix. Thankfully, Archive.ph could swallow that AMP garbage: https://archive.ph/I6XGG
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#70I'm sorry, and pardonner mou Français, but what in the actual fuck? Should delivery drivers not wear seatbelts because they might not be as afriad that they'll fly through the windshield? Should linemen not wear harnesses because they might be more confident working on power lines? Should warehouse workers not wear hi-vis jackets because they might be more confident working around forklifts? Should construction worke…
> If I was a staff rider, I'd be putting that helmet on and telling Pedal Me to eat an OSHA-sized bag of dicks if they have a problem with it.
And then they would fire you and you will have to find a company that allow helmets and everyone will be happy