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Post by lelanthran »

orf wrote: post #279
lelanthran wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You’ve fabricated some weird scenario in your head where the data screams out “woke content sucks” but god damn the executives just won’t listen! No, I did not. I said they have the mountains of data to predict better. I said that there must be some reason why they are ignoring that data. I said that you can figure out what the most plausible reason is for ignoring that mountain of data. > Nobody knows “literally”…

I mean that’s all still nonsense > I said they have the mountains of data to predict better. I said that there must be some reason why they are ignoring that data Are they ignoring their data? Says who? I guess it’s more comfortable to your worldview to make several jumps: 1. The data must say Woke content sucks 2. Netflix must not be listening to this data 3. Something must be forcing them to ignore it (but hehehe I…

> Are they ignoring their data? Says who?

Well, the fact that they are following flops with flops is a good indicator.

> I guess it’s more comfortable to your worldview to make several jumps:

Ironically, the only person who made jumps here was you. All I'm doing is pointing out that they have to data to reduce the number of flops, and it isn't getting reduced, hence they must be ignoring that data.

You are making the unwarranted conclusion that it's all down to pure chance. There is no evidence that that is true.

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Post by morelisp »

theodric wrote: post #303
andrelaszlo wrote: post #238

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Very true. They find something that's kind of amusing, then milk it until it bleeds (gross analogy, sorry...). "Nailed It", sure, I can watch it from time to time but it doesn't mean I will watch 150 other baking shows. Same thing with "Jessica Jones". I literally found articles about "The top 30 superhero shows on Netflix this year", trying to remember the name of this one. After a while you realize that the funny p…

People complain that Netflix kills shows too soon. People complain that Netflix drags shows on past their prime. People complain.

If only there was a number between 2 and 7!

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Post by AnonCoward4 »

55555 wrote: post #200

I’m bored of Netflix. They have simply gone the assembly line direction instead of the direction of art, at least for some big niches. For example, every True Crime docuseries on Netflix is the same crap. Once you’ve seen three, you’ve seen them all. They get each cop involved in a big empty room, sit them on a solitary chair, put a dramatic light above them, and shoot them in 4k. Then they direct it at a pace to bor…

> I’m bored of Netflix. They have simply gone the assembly line direction instead of the direction of art, at least for some big niches. For example, every True Crime docuseries on Netflix is the same crap.

My benchmark for this genre is Forensic Files. I have yet to find another one that is this concise and informative.

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Post by jmyeet »

pvarangot wrote: post #33
jmyeet wrote: post #16

So the problem with media conglomerates (including big studios) is they want predictable returns. More specifically, they want a formula. Let me introduce you to Save the Cat [1]. This book has become so influential that you can read this book and then watch pretty much any movie and you'll be able to tick off everything in the movie to this structure. It's why studios love sequels and franchises. They have a built-i…

I would add that "a formula" doesn't mean it's bad. I regularly drank beer since like when I was 14 until when I was like 35 or something? I do it way less now but still sometimes drink beer. My favorite style changes. Sometime I just drink a new one because like dopamine hits and I get excited about the potential novelty and discovery. But it's beer, and I think there's nothing wrong with it. From bud light to like…

Another commenter described what I meant using what I think is a more accurate term: assembly line.

My point is that creating original content is a creative endeavor that doesn’t naturally scale. MrBeast is obviously successful but that doesn’t mean you can just cookie cutter another 100 MrBeasts. That’s not how it works.

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Post by maneesh »

Sakos wrote: post #241
emidln wrote: post #180

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They call these services "private trackers" and "VPNs". They're inexpensive and probably have a better UX than whatever other five streaming sites you'd otherwise have to use put together.

Don't even have to do that. There are tons of "free" streaming sites out there that have a decent interface and a massive library that blows every single paid service out of the water.

Fmovies.to is an excellent example. Any others you know of?

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Post by gernb »

russelldjimmy wrote: post #218
55555 wrote: post #200

I’m bored of Netflix. They have simply gone the assembly line direction instead of the direction of art, at least for some big niches. For example, every True Crime docuseries on Netflix is the same crap. Once you’ve seen three, you’ve seen them all. They get each cop involved in a big empty room, sit them on a solitary chair, put a dramatic light above them, and shoot them in 4k. Then they direct it at a pace to bor…

> …it is simply so cheap to pump out middling quality documentaries. Stock photography and interviews and cheap-but-good editing. You’ll notice solo YouTubers are making great documentaries. Reminds me of this hilarious video - https://youtu.be/9BUrNe3Vhtk

Someone, SOMEone, someone should make the radio? Radio, RADIO, RadioLab how to.

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

aqme28 wrote: post #259
Gareth321 wrote: post #225

I quit because I didn't like how all of their shows pushed an ideological message. I'm quite left leaning on most issues, but Netflix writers appear to believe that preaching progressive messages is all that's required to make a compelling narrative. If they had the compelling narrative too it might be more tolerable, but they don't.

Do you have any examples?

It is really funny to see comments like GP while netflix hosts Chappelle, tells its workers to leave if they don't want to work on projects they disagree with [1], and gets praised for it by the likes of republicans like Musk [2] who claim to be about free speech and what have you until they turn techno-fascist [3].

[1] https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-culture/2022/05/15/netf...

[2] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-praises-netflix-te...

[3] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1525549535786717184

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Post by alangibson »

Fragmentation of must-watch content across many streaming services will drive a lot of people back to torrenting.

Netflix was beloved because it was convenient, meaning everything you wanted was in one place. Now the things you want are spread out across many services.

By comparison a good tracker that has everything you want is more convenient vs searching a half dozen services.

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Post by _0ffh »

hakfoo wrote: post #215
bawolff wrote: post #205

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I disagree - their issue was scaling it. When they started out creating original content, they were hitting it out of the park. Orange is the new black, daredevil, house of cards were all big hits. They scaled, quality was sacraficed for quantity, and their brand became very dilluted.

I'm sort of surprised there is less effort in poaching series with an existing fan base. This would seemingly be an antidote to the complaint of too-"algorithm says it will work" programming, because it bypasses that entire flow with an established "we see the audience, they exist in fandom forums and such." I've never used Hulu, but there's a good chance I'll sub in the next few months for the new season of The Orvi…

>poaching series with an existing fan base

That only really works if you respect the original source material, which seems to be a problem for the "creatives".

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Post by stormdennis »

I used to subscribe to Sky Sports. It had everything I was really interested as well as lots that I never watched. Then the market fragmented and rights to certain sports were distributed among three broadcasters. Suddenly I could no longer watch many of the games I was interested in, I'd have needed three subscriptions instead of one. The fact that Sky didn't reduce their price didn't help. I ended up dropping Sky and taking out a subscription with an overseas service that had all the games and I could watch via a vpn. Then they tightened that up and the vpn method no longer worked. Now I just pirate the games I want to see. It feels like the same thing is happening to Netflix with Disney, Hulu, Amazon etc.
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