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Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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have you heard of lightning network?

lightning is a reimplementation of a part of visa, caching for response time and still recording on a blockchain, no? reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule

It's an alternative payment network, implemented as a bitcoin layer 2. You can argue that it's somewhat centralized, but not as much as Visa.

Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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have you heard of lightning network?

lightning is a reimplementation of a part of visa, caching for response time and still recording on a blockchain, no? reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule

No, that is not how lightning works.

Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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Where do you actually use lightning? Does it work for you most of the time?

Well I've actually paid for street food using lightning, and also use it regularly it to send money to my family using Strike. It's instant and practically free.

So FedNow instant payments? If one has to choose between central finance with regulations, protections, and recourse and cryptofolks running DeFI with zero recourse, which is a financial participant more likely to choose?

https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/about....

Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC,24h,weight Where did you get this number? Transactions for as low as 1 satoshi per vbyte have been included for a while, with the average around 10 sats/vbyte. That’s like 3 cents for one transaction.

3 cents sounds like a good deal. But how do we buy a piece of bread with bitcoin at grocery store?

you can if you are in El Salvador for example

Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC,24h,weight Where did you get this number? Transactions for as low as 1 satoshi per vbyte have been included for a while, with the average around 10 sats/vbyte. That’s like 3 cents for one transaction.

3 cents sounds like a good deal. But how do we buy a piece of bread with bitcoin at grocery store?

My grocery store has a crypto ATM. I wish I were joking.

Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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Sure, if you never need to dispute a charge, are fine with the volatility, and have an internet connection wherever you need to pay.

I’m not sure what you would need to dispute. Bitcoin, when used properly can’t be “stolen”. Compare that with Visa where every single merchant you come into contact with can steal your card, and charge arbitrary amounts to it by design. As someone who has had to go through a few disputes in recent history, depending on the bank, they treat you like a criminal and need to go though an elaborate process to dispute. And if the merchant doesn’t agree you are SOL. Never lost a penny in Bitcoin where I’ve had thousands stolen from me via traditional credit cards.

Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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Sure, if you never need to dispute a charge, are fine with the volatility, and have an internet connection wherever you need to pay.

I’m not sure what you would need to dispute. Bitcoin, when used properly can’t be “stolen”. Compare that with Visa where every single merchant you come into contact with can steal your card, and charge arbitrary amounts to it by design. As someone who has had to go through a few disputes in recent history, depending on the bank, they treat you like a criminal and need to go though an elaborate process to dispute. And…

You order an item, pay in bitcoin, yet the merchant never ships the item.

What now? With credit cards, you can dispute the charge and get your money back. With bitcoin, it's gone forever.

Re: Is VISA down everywhere in the US?

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Well I've actually paid for street food using lightning, and also use it regularly it to send money to my family using Strike. It's instant and practically free.

So FedNow instant payments? If one has to choose between central finance with regulations, protections, and recourse and cryptofolks running DeFI with zero recourse, which is a financial participant more likely to choose? https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/about....

Just imagine you're not in your cushy first world country and that question answers itself.
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