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The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by tzury » 

    By using the current version and the updates 
    provided by Microsoft we guarantee you a secure 
    connection.
Tell this to Microsoft which currently formally stated: "it’s time to say goodbye to IE6" at http://www.ie6countdown.com/

    10 years ago a browser was born.

    Its name was Internet Explorer 6. Now that we’re in 2011, 
    in an era of modern web standards, it’s time to say goodbye.

    This website is dedicated to watching Internet Explorer 6 
    usage drop to less than 1% worldwide, so more websites can 
    choose to drop support for Internet Explorer 6, saving hours 
    of work for web developers.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by dextorious »

coldarchon wrote: post #27
MichaelApproved wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Obviously this entry is for unexperienced people of the IT" They are giving the unexperianced wrong information and making them misinformed. If they want to help the unexperianced, they shouldn't tell them that a secure experience can be guaranteed with IE6. They should encourage them to use modern browsers which are still regularly supported with security patches.

honey you DID read it's in their B2B folder? So this is for BUSINESS TO BUSINESS and they want to interact in a secure way with small companies which probably have 0 IT professionals and old software. You only prove me ..

"honey"? Really?

He only proves you wrong. The fact that is for B2B doesn't change a damn thing, false and dangerous information is false and dangerous information, and in fact EVEN MORE SO, since it is addressed to "small companies which probably have 0 IT professionals and old software".

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by aristidb »

antimora wrote: post #10

For some reason the corporate world is still stuck with IE6. Just recently we were dealing with a large corporation that was still using IE6 throughout the company and our web app had to support this browser.

Well, some have updated to IE 8.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by rbanffy »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #4
natesm wrote: post #3

I see that you'll also need either a PC or a Media Access Control.

Ah, that's why my Message Authentication Code wasn't working.

Good for you. I tried several hours of Murawarri aboriginal chants and was ready to start with the Miappe ones... ;-)

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by sp332 »

coldarchon wrote: post #27
MichaelApproved wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Obviously this entry is for unexperienced people of the IT" They are giving the unexperianced wrong information and making them misinformed. If they want to help the unexperianced, they shouldn't tell them that a secure experience can be guaranteed with IE6. They should encourage them to use modern browsers which are still regularly supported with security patches.

honey you DID read it's in their B2B folder? So this is for BUSINESS TO BUSINESS and they want to interact in a secure way with small companies which probably have 0 IT professionals and old software. You only prove me ..

Old software? That can't be right, since the page expects everyone to have the latest version and all updates from MS.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by cubicle67 »

hetman wrote: post #26
cubicle67 wrote: post #5

This'd just be a case of yet another page that's never been updated. I think my bank's site recommends either IE or netscape - site works fine, just that no one's ever updated the required browser page

Though claiming IE6 was the most secure web browser in 2009 is still pretty worrying.

er, yeah... that one's a bit more difficult to explain :/

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by Vivtek »

freedompeace wrote: post #6

For a well-designed website, I must say, I'm a bit worried. > The cooperation takes place by our Group Business Platform using current security standards and ciphering methods. A secure data interchange has high priority! Because that's all there is to security. > All data is transferred with a 128 Bit SSL coding and are even secured by your log in on our Group Business Platform. This ciphering method is used in all…

Wow, that translation is really crappy. "The cooperation takes place by" is a dead giveaway that it was translated from German by somebody who'd never heard that you should reword things a little in English. I used to churn out this kind of text, back when I'd just started translation.

"Coding" is also a mistranslation, fwiw; should be "encoding". I like the number mismatch in that same sentence - data "is" transferred but "are" secured. For computer applications you normally go with data as a mass noun (always singular, like water or corn), but you definitely should be consistent with your choice.

Ugh. This whole thing is causing me bad proofreading flashbacks. I'm leaving.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by Vivtek »

nicwest wrote: post #31
cnvogel wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working in a ~50000 employee company that shall remain nameless I can give you another datapoint from "big companies" out there: We only got IE8 (on WinXP, Win7 will not launch for another year or two) this year. And before that it was whatever IE version ships with WinXP. The alternative we can use is a Firefox that has not been updated since its rollout in 2009. And of course you are not allowed to use other than c…

Wow that's amazing, sometimes I wonder how IT staff get up in the morning and go to sleep at night. Could it be that they are using some sort of monitoring software that actually utilises the flaws in these out of date browsers?

No, it's because they can't spare support resources for other browsers. If they know the flaws they have to support workarounds for, they keep support to a manageable level.

They could, of course, just hire more support staff, but then their productivity would drop and the CEO would have to shave five feet off the length of his next yacht.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by sunchild »

rmoriz wrote: post #19
antimora wrote: post #10

For some reason the corporate world is still stuck with IE6. Just recently we were dealing with a large corporation that was still using IE6 throughout the company and our web app had to support this browser.

The reason in Germany is mainly SAP (because of its popularity here) Their Netweaver product was build with lots of ActiveX + OS stuff that's so proprietary, that it will not work with even IE7. Of course SAP has released upgrades but companies have to pay for it or change larger parts of their ERP to be able to apply the upgrades. As ERPs are propably upgraded once per decade, this will take some time... From variou…

A workforce on an old browser is an awesome way to stagnate innovation. If you complain about this on some sites (ahem...reddit), you will receive replies from thousands of self-loathing IT staffers who will give you a thousand bullshit reasons why supporting even newish browsers is "impossible" for a large company.

In nearly every case, the old browser in the standard image is there because of some terrible legacy software from the late 1990s that: (1) was premised on the notion that the runtime environment would never change, and (2) is licensed from a vendor who charges obscene amounts of money for any change. Either that, or some useless "intranet" that nobody invested in since 1998.

I will never for the life of me understand why these companies don't create desktop shortcuts to the IE6-based tools, and let employees do their other browsing in a newer browser. It comes down to laziness and apathy, and the dynamics of a big company that has matured to the point where too many second-rate, CYA-oriented people infiltrate the ranks of management and operations.

Re: The Volkswagen Group is using IE6 as standard for displaying web pages

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Post by artursapek »

cubicle67 wrote: post #5

This'd just be a case of yet another page that's never been updated. I think my bank's site recommends either IE or netscape - site works fine, just that no one's ever updated the required browser page

My thoughts too. A mention of Netscape but not Chrome? Has to be several years old.
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