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Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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Yeah, I will pay more for a device that is designed to be repaired.

... and when there's enough of you for this to represent an actual, realistic target market you will then find someone who will sell you one. Personally, my perspective on this is that it's a lot like the kind of complaining that gets a lot of play in the motoring press about the disappearance of the manual transmission (like Car and Driver's "Save the Manuals" thing). Lots of people will claim they would like the ch…

Yeah, but my understanding is that the manual issue is compounded by the fuel efficiency gains in newer automatic transmissions using these 8-speed designs, with minimum efficiency rules meaning it's impossible to match in a manual. I've noticed that in the handful of models still offering manual, often the manual is not offered with the top performance engine.

This seems to be happening in Europe as well where historically over 80% of cars have been sold with manual transmissions.

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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Time won’t flow back, but it was less than a decade ago that you replaced batteries by popping the phone’s back. I wouldn’t say Apple bears no blame in making 79 pound tools necessary to replace a battery. And as they basically opened that path for every other maker to follow and point at Apple as a justification, we really shouldn’t give them a pass.

Those phones had smaller batteries/phone ratio due to the extra casing, which creates the waste of throwing away an extra (smaller) battery.

Is your argument that we currently don’t have the technology to have the phone’s screen and back enclosed hermetically in a reversible matter, while staying thin ? We’re also not arguing that no tool should be required, just not 79 pound ultra expensive ones.

We have 3d stacked nm features processors, I would not see the above as an unsolvable problem, nor even a very hard one to be honest.

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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> The problem is that Apple intentionally insists that this is the only way to do a repair to scare people away from it As they should. If Apple had instead shipped batteries with instructions for pure DIY repair, we’d be reading an article about “I tried to replace my iPhone battery but I destroyed my iPhone in the process” And if Apple redesigned the iPhone to be bigger so it could have a separate battery compartme…

> If Apple had instead shipped batteries with instructions for pure DIY repair, we’d be reading an article about “I tried to replace my iPhone battery but I destroyed my iPhone in the process” Is that happening with cars? Because you can trivially walk up to any dealership and buy brake parts. > It’s standard practice for manufacturers to cite specific manufacturer tools Normal, cross-manufacturer tools (aka wrenches…

>Is that happening with cars? Because you can trivially walk up to any dealership and buy brake parts.

What is your point here? You can just buy the parts trivially from Apple too.

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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... and when there's enough of you for this to represent an actual, realistic target market you will then find someone who will sell you one. Personally, my perspective on this is that it's a lot like the kind of complaining that gets a lot of play in the motoring press about the disappearance of the manual transmission (like Car and Driver's "Save the Manuals" thing). Lots of people will claim they would like the ch…

If it was, say $40 more or even $100 and was marketed as being repairable, I bet a lot of people would buy it. They would after all be actually likely to get that money back over the lifetime of the phone, and it’s much more environmentally friendly. This isn’t a case of “market doesn’t want it”, this is a case of Apple don’t want to offer that choice because they make money off of the repairs.

From the layperson’s perspective they already are repairable. Apple offers repair programs at a somewhat reasonable cost already. I doubt the average person will care if they themselves can repair it at home.

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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> You have to admit that requiring 79 lbs of equipment, a 1200$ deposit, and so much effort just to swap a friggin’ battery is a tad overkill You know people were swapping batteries long before this was available, right? And that you don’t have to rent the official factory tools? Apple did a great thing by providing this option at a loss to themselves. The fact that people are rushing to criticize the move suggests m…

People can just buy a Fairphone if they want one with a detachable battery. It is however bulkier, heavier and not waterproof.

Swappable with the aid of a screwdriver != detachable

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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A part of me doesn't agree with the author that Apple's main goal is to make it so difficult for people to repair their own devices that most people just buy another phone.

Personally, I do a lot of DIY things and have always preferred to have the best quality tools for the jobs. I own several vehicles, none of which have under 100k miles on the odometer, and I do 95% of maintenance on them all. They range in age from 47 years to 7 years so I need to understand old-school mechanical things and new electronic-controlled things and as a result I look for tools that simplify troubleshooting and parts replacement.

I build with wood and metal too and am familiar with carpentry and cabinet building, stick frame construction, welding and cutting various metals, and finishing the resulting constructions so that they last a long time. All of this requires tools made specifically for the task. I am currently rebuilding a fireplace and hearth and refacing it with slate and basalt so I don't need to stare at all that ugly 70's brick.

I also dink around with everything that fails in an effort to understand what happened and whether it is an easy fix or it is time for a new gizmo. I have repaired our refrigerator, our dishwasher, clothes washer and dryer, and a number of small appliances. My usual method is to disassemble the device and troubleshoot until I find the failure point. I use online videos and manuals, blog and forum posts, etc to keep me moving in the right direction.

I have also replaced the battery, hinges, and screen on a MS Surface device and a couple of telephone screens. For this work I used iFixit as a resource and everything went smoothly as a result.

I still use my Windows Phone because it is a great phone and it still works, though that will end later this year when the 3G networks are removed from service, so I will likely end up with an iPhone.

So far I have not needed to replace an iPhone screen or battery on any of my family devices, but if I end up needing to do this in the future I am pretty sure that I would just go through the process that the author documents since he was able to accomplish the task with no serious issues. That's the actual goal here.

The fact that a user is able to employ exactly the same tools Apple uses without having to buy those tools and the entire procedure is documented with photos and concise descriptions of operations is a huge plus. I don't have time to examine every device or gadget that glitches or fails in an effort to guesstimate what I think needs to happen to make it work correctly.

I think this is a bargain for those of us who are inclined to repair our own devices.

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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> The problem is that Apple intentionally insists that this is the only way to do a repair to scare people away from it As they should. If Apple had instead shipped batteries with instructions for pure DIY repair, we’d be reading an article about “I tried to replace my iPhone battery but I destroyed my iPhone in the process” And if Apple redesigned the iPhone to be bigger so it could have a separate battery compartme…

> If Apple had instead shipped batteries with instructions for pure DIY repair, we’d be reading an article about “I tried to replace my iPhone battery but I destroyed my iPhone in the process” Is that happening with cars? Because you can trivially walk up to any dealership and buy brake parts. > It’s standard practice for manufacturers to cite specific manufacturer tools Normal, cross-manufacturer tools (aka wrenches…

Serializing parts is another issue, but the author of the original article hardly mentions it or cares. The article, for what it states, is unnecessarily naïve about basic logistics.

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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> The problem is that Apple intentionally insists that this is the only way to do a repair to scare people away from it As they should. If Apple had instead shipped batteries with instructions for pure DIY repair, we’d be reading an article about “I tried to replace my iPhone battery but I destroyed my iPhone in the process” And if Apple redesigned the iPhone to be bigger so it could have a separate battery compartme…

> If Apple had instead shipped batteries with instructions for pure DIY repair, we’d be reading an article about “I tried to replace my iPhone battery but I destroyed my iPhone in the process” Is that happening with cars? Because you can trivially walk up to any dealership and buy brake parts. > It’s standard practice for manufacturers to cite specific manufacturer tools Normal, cross-manufacturer tools (aka wrenches…

> Is that happening with cars? Because you can trivially walk up to any dealership and buy brake parts.

You can buy batteries for Apple phones and DIY the install, too.

This article is the equivalent of someone who doesn’t know anything about cars trying to replace their head gasket and then being shocked that it requires tools to do it and there’s an official procedure with manufacturer recommended adhesives and tools to do it.

If journalists started writing “I tried to rebuild my engine” articles they’d read more or less like this iPhone article.

Modern engineering is complex. Crucifying a company for offering to rent custom tools to work on products is insane. This is a great move by Apple. At this point, the criticisms seem to be more about finding anything to complain about than being productive.

Re: Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.1-Ounce Battery

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... and when there's enough of you for this to represent an actual, realistic target market you will then find someone who will sell you one. Personally, my perspective on this is that it's a lot like the kind of complaining that gets a lot of play in the motoring press about the disappearance of the manual transmission (like Car and Driver's "Save the Manuals" thing). Lots of people will claim they would like the ch…

If it was, say $40 more or even $100 and was marketed as being repairable, I bet a lot of people would buy it. They would after all be actually likely to get that money back over the lifetime of the phone, and it’s much more environmentally friendly. This isn’t a case of “market doesn’t want it”, this is a case of Apple don’t want to offer that choice because they make money off of the repairs.

>this is a case of Apple don’t want to offer that choice because they make money off of the repairs.

Apple is on record saying they lose money on repair services. Or do you think they're just lying about that too?

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