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On Aging Alone (2021)

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I have always had a tough time applying the tool of reason to the problem of loneliness. In a way, I don't feel like I've ever been lonely. Not that I have never felt the same way that people who do describe themselves as lonely feel. I have and still often do. The 'problem' is that I've always been able to isolate the reason I'm feeling that way and administer some kind of intervention. And I know, that getting older will not bring with it any greater problems than I have now.

Is my soul yearning for spiritual connection? I've got a good friend for that. My libido looking for an exhilarating one? There's bars and the ubiquitous 'more-than-friend-but-not-quite-committed' friendship we all seem to have but never seem to really look to for that sort of thing. The least lonely person I know is in his late 70s. He's always talking to someone whenever I see him.

But every American I know outside of my usual social circle seems to be painfully, debilitatingly lonely, and I can't make heads or tails of it. Perhaps most are trapped in a hell of looksism. Instagram has ruined their lives because they can't bring themselves to work that hard to look that good. Maybe they're too shy to cultivate third places. Perhaps they're looking for some kind of spiritual connection and, since American religion has so thoroughly shit the bed, they have absolutely zero idea of how to even approach it.

It often seems like they just want to find someone almost exactly like themselves. I remember one guy I met at a bar, who wanted dearly to find his next best friend in me, would start berating me almost immediately after we started hanging out together. Like I didn't fit the role he wanted me to play in his life and that's gotta be my fault.

The vagueness of the problem makes it so devilishly difficult to approach with reason. But just about any difference between what someone's life is like and what they want it to be seems to manifest in their psyche as loneliness. And the reason they themselves come up with is often just utterly counter-productive. But you can't challenge their reasoning head-on, it's like fighting the tides.

It's a sad, quiet, seemingly uniquely American epidemic, borne out of our thoroughgoing insecurity and status-desiring.

Re: On Aging Alone (2021)

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my tinder has been quiet for years. I’m looking for an attractive mate and I’m 1) not that attractive 2) fat 3) bald(ing) 4) old enough to be the father of those I consider 5) not rich or successful (yet) and worst of all if I got the pretty girl I wouldn't know what to do with her. I don’t want to be that guy. What I want is to go back in time to when I was young. I guess dating just wasn't in my lot. Everyone gets…

Tinder is murder. I'm 39, male, tall, attractive, fit, educated, etc. in a small-midsized city and it's extremely, extremely, rare to get a match. Very occasionally (1-2x/year, in my experience) things progress to a date/hookup. If you really want to use apps, I'd suggest exploring others. I've had the most success (relatively) with Hinge. I'd agree with sibling comment that meeting people out in the world can be a l…

Just wanted to say 1000x this.

At the end of the day, we've got to live with the choices we make. And the choices we choose not to make are still choices.

And if you can't make yourself make those healthier / better choices even though you know the payoff is worth it, then you need to address the root cause that's driving that irrational behavior.

(Don't mean to sound callous but this feels like the right audience to be hyperlogical with.)

Easier said than done, but trust me it's possible.

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Can you explain what you mean by this? It sounds like a contradiction, loneliness is bad but friendship is worse?

In my experience, yes, though with (very rare) exceptions. I don't see it as a contradiction, though

I think the point of good friendships is that they aren't this way.

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4) old enough to be the father of those I consider Yeah this is the real problem. Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models, but you have to be special to do this. You really would have a lot more than no success with people your own age.

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What song is that? What came to my mind was 'If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life' by Jimmy Soul which is a doo-wop song you couldn't write anymore.

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4) old enough to be the father of those I consider Yeah this is the real problem. Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models, but you have to be special to do this. You really would have a lot more than no success with people your own age.

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If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life never make a pretty woman your wife, so for my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you.

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4) old enough to be the father of those I consider Yeah this is the real problem. Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models, but you have to be special to do this. You really would have a lot more than no success with people your own age.

> Sure everyone wants to date 20 year old models No they really don't. This is an idea pushed by sociopaths who are somewhere between trash and downright dangerous. They can't date older women because older women spot their bullshit a mile away and steer clear.

>They can't date older women because older women spot their bullshit a mile away and steer clear.

I think you should stop demonizing men's natural sexual preferences. Key word here is natural, we don't choose what we like. Nature choose for us, and young women are better at having children. Same reason young girls choose tall, rich men, because they are better at surviving and have more resources for raising children.

Nature maximizes reproduction and that's what we like.

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Why do you think dating is off the menu? I know almost-40s that are actively dating. Maybe it's harder in certain areas? I could see this being an advantage of cities...

my tinder has been quiet for years. I’m looking for an attractive mate and I’m 1) not that attractive 2) fat 3) bald(ing) 4) old enough to be the father of those I consider 5) not rich or successful (yet) and worst of all if I got the pretty girl I wouldn't know what to do with her. I don’t want to be that guy. What I want is to go back in time to when I was young. I guess dating just wasn't in my lot. Everyone gets…

Abandon Tinder. It works for certain demographics but it is amazingly awful for everyone else. You can absolutely still date, in fact I'm constantly surprised by the older people in my life who seem to have no problem finding dates. You do have to have something going for you beyond looks, a certain kind of success which may not be financial.

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my tinder has been quiet for years. I’m looking for an attractive mate and I’m 1) not that attractive 2) fat 3) bald(ing) 4) old enough to be the father of those I consider 5) not rich or successful (yet) and worst of all if I got the pretty girl I wouldn't know what to do with her. I don’t want to be that guy. What I want is to go back in time to when I was young. I guess dating just wasn't in my lot. Everyone gets…

Tinder is murder. I'm 39, male, tall, attractive, fit, educated, etc. in a small-midsized city and it's extremely, extremely, rare to get a match. Very occasionally (1-2x/year, in my experience) things progress to a date/hookup. If you really want to use apps, I'd suggest exploring others. I've had the most success (relatively) with Hinge. I'd agree with sibling comment that meeting people out in the world can be a l…

Don't use Tinder! I signed up for Tinder and got no dates. I had too many dates on Hinge.

Re: On Aging Alone (2021)

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I am only half the author's age but, in my limited experience, the only thing worse than loneliness is the stifling weight of the impositions and compromises that come with virtually all relationships. The ones that offer enough in return to offset this weight make up the tiniest minority

Your last sentence hints at why so many relationships fail these days. Most people do not look at relationships as something that requires effort and needs to be nurtured. Instead they look at them as transactional affairs, and like any transaction extracting more value than you are willing to give back is the modus operandi.
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