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A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

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Re: A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

#11
“The idea that an app on an iPad can better teach my kids to read or do arithmetic, that’s ridiculous.”

In my experience this may be empirically false. My 4 year old could barely count, but after spending 2 months in the summer playing a couple of iPad games, he's adding 2 digit numbers and subtracting 1 digit numbers, and doing simple math puzzles. His elder brother couldnt do those till Kindergarten, and I dont think the difference was aptitude.

Re: A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

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“The idea that an app on an iPad can better teach my kids to read or do arithmetic, that’s ridiculous.” In my experience this may be empirically false. My 4 year old could barely count, but after spending 2 months in the summer playing a couple of iPad games, he's adding 2 digit numbers and subtracting 1 digit numbers, and doing simple math puzzles. His elder brother couldnt do those till Kindergarten, and I dont thi…

Yeah, I learned my early math skills primarily by playing math games on a Mac 128k. That person doesn't know what they're talking about - interactive teaching systems can be engaging in a way that pen/paper has no hope of matching.

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#13
wow these "tech" worker parents are seriously pretty messed up. I'm pretty sure my early computer use and curiosity led to my current career as a software developer, I can't imagine not knowing how to use a search engine until eighth grade, I was messing around looking at HTML code and stuff in like 5th or 6th grade

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#14
There seems to be a false dichotomy being made between hands on education and the use of technology in the classroom that bothers me a bit; why should they be separated? I see no reason why a collaborative, hands on approach to education is precluded by the use of technology.

The developers of Racket (formerly PLT Scheme) have an after school program called Program by Design (http://programbydesign.org/) and one of the things they found was that some of the students started wanting to learn more math because they needed to know how to add things to their programs! The extreme view presented in this article seems to be based more upon fear of technology than any kind of understanding of it.

Re: A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

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I think their are just approaching the problem from the wron side. They are right in saying that the computer is being used wrong, but wrong in saying that not using the computer is the solution. I'm more in alignment with what Mr Wolfram from WolframAlpha is saying: Computers can helkp you with tasks that are repetitive and inhuman, you should learn what is needed to solve a problem efficiently. That is actually more in alignment with what the Waldorf system says: Creativity through hands-on. Denying kids access to technology is just stupid, because if you think about your own life: Doesn't technology make it easier and more efficient to get things done?

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post #4

My sister-in-law has taught at a Waldorf school for years. The school the article describes sounds typical. Waldorf is actually based on an extremely deviant philosophy. They get away with it because they deliver results. In particular, their kids routinely decimate all standardized tests.

Hmmm. Kids from affluent families who likely have highly educated parents working at high tech companies do well on standardized tests created to cover the entire spectrum of children? nowai

Re: A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

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post #2

I agree with the philosophy. Foundations of learning should not be built on use of Google as a search engine. Foundations should he a mix of the things necessary for brain and personality development. Its synonymous to the debate about letting kids use calculators for simple (or not so simple ) math problems.

Isn't it sad that the computing experience is now defined as using Google? What a waste.

Re: A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

#18

“The idea that an app on an iPad can better teach my kids to read or do arithmetic, that’s ridiculous.” In my experience this may be empirically false. My 4 year old could barely count, but after spending 2 months in the summer playing a couple of iPad games, he's adding 2 digit numbers and subtracting 1 digit numbers, and doing simple math puzzles. His elder brother couldnt do those till Kindergarten, and I dont thi…

When I think back to when I was in first or second grade I can see a direct correlation between technology and the areas I've always excelled at. For instance, I've always been very strong in History. When I was at an elementary school level I would come home and play World War 2 themed video games, Oregon Trail, Age of Empires, etc. this sparked huge amounts of interest in me, and led me deeper into these subjects. My parents told me a story about how when I was in third grade my class got to go to our school library. I went up to a librarian, and asked her for a book on The French resistance in Paris during the Nazi occupation. The reason why I asked? I had been playing the medal of honor video game. So from my end, I think technology can definitely be a boon to education, as long as you're making sure that the content that children are getting from them is good.

Re: A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

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Well, there's a limit to the practical use of gadgets in the classroom. Learning human interaction, motor skills, and other parts of being human are best done with other humans.

It's also pretty clear to me that equating computing to the use of Word, Excel, and Google leads one to the conclusion that computing is easy and not a big deal to pick up. Naturally, as a software engineer, I disagree vehemently with that.

I think that some level of real (not turtle or other games) programming should be taught from middle school on to the point where a HS grad can successfully write a small program to deal with the small needs of life: things like accounting, sophisticated searching for files, etc.

I believe - have faith - that a programming-enabled population can do some pretty amazing things when set free to do them. All it takes is the knowledge and the eyes to see what can be automated to do so.

Re: A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

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post #4

My sister-in-law has taught at a Waldorf school for years. The school the article describes sounds typical. Waldorf is actually based on an extremely deviant philosophy. They get away with it because they deliver results. In particular, their kids routinely decimate all standardized tests.

> In particular, their kids routinely decimate all standardized tests. Out of every 10 tests they have 9 standardized tests club a randomly-chosen 10th standardized test to death?

No, they learn how to look at context to determine what words mean in a given situation.
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