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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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In 2021 91.9 percent of the trains in Switzerland were on time (tolerance is 3 minutes) Source: https://news.sbb.ch/artikel/109510/puenktlichkeit-2021-zweit...

What about buses? Are they also super-punctual?

In cities, there are many bus lanes to bypass traffic. And they circulate several times per hour, 6 or more.

Even if sometimes they are not punctual, the density saves you and you rarely think about it.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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> I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. Here in Germany, there were many voices in favour of making the ticket completely free. What I heard about the reason for not doing so is that the government wanted to easily measure the actual demand in different regions for such a "free" ticket. So the price is low enough that anybody who wants to ride practically "for free" is buying i…

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But you don't take away cars or impose a speed limit. You simply provide an alternative option. In fact, emptier streets will make every driver happy.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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> Over 75% of Germans live in cities Unrelated to this topic but that explains why Germans are so eager to remove forest in order to build windmills. People in the city obviously don’t notice it anyway.

I see three points in your post: 1. You want to tell something 'unrelated to this topic'. That's a bad idea because it clutters our discussions. I assume you have some inner pressure and strong emotions about the windmill topic and want to release it. 2. You're picking on city people. They don't notice the decrease of forests because they don't see it when they look out of the window? 3. You are telling us that the d…

1. Yes, I know the rules here.

2. Yes.

3. No, I‘m saying that forest is being removed for windmills. You are assuming that I‘m having some dumb argument. This is what I see where I live. Windmills in a national park with more trees removed for service roads. But please, continue educating.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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For anyone wondering why 9€? Not 10€ or 15€ or ... - its consistent with 101 consumer psychology. First: Its not free, its subsidized by the state. Free would suggest for some "not worth it". Not you, most likely, but this is why some free offers are not taken (seriously). If you want to see what free does, look for the Luxemburg experient: https://www.mobiliteit.lu/en/tickets/free-transport/ Second: Higher price poi…

> First: Its not free, its subsidized by the state. „The state“ doesn’t have its „own money“. It is subsided by the taxpayer.

And where does the taxpayer money come from? :) The state (or in this case the european central bank) owns and distribuites the money, then the tax payers give it back.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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> First: Its not free, its subsidized by the state. „The state“ doesn’t have its „own money“. It is subsided by the taxpayer.

> It is subsided by the taxpayer. That used to be completely true, but seeing the US government consistently spending 150% of its revenue every year make me doubt that. Money printer and price go brr At least Germans are getting train tickets and not shiny new drone missiles.

> At least Germans are getting train tickets and not shiny new drone missiles.

Germany is actually getting both, train tickets and armed drones [0]

[0] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220408-germany-buys-140-...

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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> I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. Here in Germany, there were many voices in favour of making the ticket completely free. What I heard about the reason for not doing so is that the government wanted to easily measure the actual demand in different regions for such a "free" ticket. So the price is low enough that anybody who wants to ride practically "for free" is buying i…

We had cities with free public transport in Germany. One example was the city of Templin in Brandenburg. The project was eventually abandoned because lots of people were just riding the busses out of boredom and busses were permanently full with costs exploding for the city. See: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/artikel/nahverkeh...

What is the difference to normal paid tickets? Once the ticket is paid I can ride busses out of boredom the whole day.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Not even that. Most lines are already at maximum capacity, and the number of cars is usually dependent on the shortest platform on the line already. We take this so seriously, any stop, even unplanned, where the doors might open aside from absolute emergencies must be on a platform of sufficient length.

In the UK it's quite normal, I think, for them to tell people who want to get off at stop X that they have to be in carriages Y-Z because the platform isn't long enough for them to open the doors of other carriages. There seems to be a Wikipedia page on the general topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_door_operation ("Selective Door Operation enables trains to call at a station where the platform is shorter…

That's one of the situations where the UK seems like a halfway-honorary US state, in a "Hold my damn beer--you're all right!" sort of way.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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I'm sure the private bus operators, who usually are the only cheap option to travel in Germany, are just thrilled by this additional market distortion.

> additional market distortion Are they also thrilled by "additional market distortions" like subsidized oil import and processing and road infrastructure? Or should we remove all tax-funded infrastructure investment and go back to the middle ages?

With more than 50% of gas prices going into taxes, are you seriously suggesting oil is a subsidised commodity in Germany?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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For comparison: The equivalent, non-subsidised "Quer durchs Land"-Ticket costs 42€ for one person per day (70€ for 5 people per day) -- https://www.bahn.de/angebot/regio/qdl

Wow, that has gotten expensive. I still remember when the similar "Wochenendticket" cost like 20€ and would even allow to bring along some extra people, tho that was like 20 years ago.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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In other words, your transportation patterns don’t let you reduce your oil use, so you’re doing your part by paying slightly higher taxes to benefit those who can? That doesn’t seem like a bad thing

You mean I‘m partially funding their cheap transportation? Where is the money for these cheap tickets coming from? But your comment kinda makes sense. It’s not really worth trying much in Germany. The more one tries, the more one becomes the source of funding for others while not really getting any personal gratification or gain.

How do you travel and commute? By car? If so, millions of Germans who don't own a care are funding your means of transport.
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