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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by misja111 »

MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

> There does not appear to be any residency requirement, but remember, you’re not the target market for this (unless you live here and are struggling with fuel prices…)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Do you mean that non Germans should refrain from buying these tickets?

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Aldipower »

freemint wrote: post #87
ryukafalz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bicycles are the most efficient form of transportation if we’re talking energy use, but yes, trains beat out cars by a lot. :)

Absolutetly not since the fuel (human food) is horribly CO2 intensive to produce.

The more fitness you gain, the more effective you are in your energy utilization. Sportive people need less energy! Hard, but true.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Tenoke »

wongarsu wrote: post #268
franciscop wrote: post #129

When it gets crowded in Tokyo trains you are literally pushed against each other, back to front people against people, specially bad in summer where the aircon cannot keep up. That's only at 9am normally though, and so I do not consider jobs that make me be in the office at that time (9:30~10 is an order of magnitude better). WFH has been a blessing to Tokyo. So it was funny when I visited my sister in a rural town i…

There are long distance trains like the RE (or ICE, which is not covered by this ticket) which are designed around everyone being seated, and there are commuter trains like the S-Bahn which are designed to have enough seating space for normal hours and lots of standing space for rush hour. The former are very uncomfortable when overfilled, the latter are designed around it in terms of ventilation, number of doors etc…

The more busy Sbahn lines (e.g. Ring Bahn) absolutely did get crowded enough that you couldnt even always get in pre-covid at peak times, and I suspect it will be even worse in the next 3 months.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by User23 »

mbg721 wrote: post #92
butterlesstoast wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all the Americans. Converting from euros to USD and liters to gallons, gas is roughly $12 a gallon at this moment.

Out of curiosity, for people who live in small towns/villages in Germany, how much driving is expected on a typical day? Most Americans commute about half an hour, twice a day, right?

I've lived in a village in Germany and I never drove. The village center and Straßenbahn stop were a five minute walk from my apartment. And that tiny little village had more independent butchers and bakers than most large American cities. It also had everything else you might need day to day. So the only real reason to take the train besides entertainment was commuting. Depending on where you worked that would be about 10-30 minutes one way by transit.

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Post by thebean11 »

iggldiggl wrote: post #290
Escapado wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, however if it would have been made free and kept free indefinitely this would have been a one-time cost.

Farebox recovery ratios in Germany before Covid were around 75 %, so abolishing all fares would mean quadrupling the budget for operating subsidies [1]. While I am not opposed to some moderate fare reductions, you could pay for quite a large bit of service improvements with that amount of money instead, and I believe that would be rather more effective in increasing passenger numbers (and especially in getting car dr…

> Farebox recovery ratios in Germany before Covid were around 75 %, so abolishing all fares would mean quadrupling the budget for operating subsidies

You aren't taking into account the money saved from eliminating all the infrastructure needed for collecting and enforcing the fares like OP mentioned..

Unless farebox recovery ratio already subtracts the money spent to collect fares? That's not my understanding though.

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Post by IMTDb »

jstummbillig wrote: post #179
MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

> If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every village along the way. Well, that is not exactly true now, is it. REs do actually skip the vast majority of "villages" and are far from being the slow ones, comparatively. Anyway, for comparisons sake here is some Hamburg -> Berlin options: - By car (with low traffic, according to GMaps): 3h20 - Regional…

This is assuming that your trip starts and stops exactly next to the train station and that there is a non-delayed train available precisely at the right time. In practice that's not the case and those time add up quickly.

Car trip will look like:

  1. Travel from start to location (3:20)
  2. Find parking (0:5)
  3. Walk from parking to location (0:10)
Total time of 3:35

Your train trip will look like:

  1. Go from start to train station (0:20)
  2. Wait for train (0:10)
  3. Train to Berlin (1:50)
  4. Train station to location (0:20)
  5. Wait at location because there was no better train (1:00)
Total time of 3:40.

It stil might be worth it to use the train, as you can work/read in the train which you can't do in a car.

But for the train to be working it needs planets to be aligned: start location must be within reasonable distance to train station; end location must be within reasonable distance to train station; train travel speed is significantly faster than cars; train schedule is aligned with desired arrival time. If any of these conditions are not met, the train option does not work

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by maigret »

DeathArrow wrote: post #253
MandieD wrote: post #51

Very important caveat for all of you who are thinking, “woo hoo, no need to buy that EuRail pass! Or to buy an expensive ICE ticket!” These tickets are good for all “Nah- und Regionalverkehr,” explicitly excluding ICE, IC, EC (international) and long-distance busses (like the one between Munich and Zürich) If the train number begins with RE or RB, you’re good, but of course, those are the slow ones that stop in every…

>This is for the benefit of people who live here and are struggling with 2 EUR/liter If 2 EUR/liter is too much for Germany, than it's enormous for my Eastern European country. I know we should support the war and sanctions and all those nice things, but some poor people depend on transportation for their living. If it costs too much, they might not be able to work. Already surges in food prices and utilities prices…

Car is probably not the right solution for all those people then. Even I wish I could reduce my dependency on cars.

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Post by Tenoke »

throwaway307423 wrote: post #303

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>1. In July and August, pretty much nobody[1] works in Europe

>unused capacity

What? The Sbahn I would take to the office in Summer 2019 was absolutely packed at peak times when people go to and from work.

Also you didn't include that '[1]' reference. Complaining about downvotes is a faux pas. All the hostility and unnecessary mentions of Tesla didn't help either.

Edit: Editing to replace the comment with yet another complaint about downvotes isn't a great look either.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by kuschku »

iggldiggl wrote: post #242
kuschku wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’ll move energy use from highly inefficient personal vehicles burning gasoline to highly efficient trains using mostly renewable electricity, during the summer where more than enough electricity is available.

If this was really about saving energy, they wouldn't also simultaneously lower gas taxes during the same period as well.

As is common in coalition governments, the 9-Euro-Ticket is a pet project of the greens to save energy and save people money, while the gas taxes are a pet project of the neoliberals to save people money :)
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