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Post by iso1631 »

toqy wrote: post #118
iso1631 wrote: post #108

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When I'm not on site I work 4x10 hour days, usually 0900-1900, with 1h25 break. When I'm out and about I'll work as long as I need to, 12 hours is a typical day, but any hours I do over 35 per week get paid time-and-a-half. If I'm out on an event and say staying in a hotel in rural Norfolk, I'd far rather work from 10 or 11 to 2300 than do 1500-2300, it's not like I'm going to make use of the extra 4 hours in the mor…

What are you doing for the first 5 hours? I typically find that if I'm actually working and not in too many meetings I'm basically checked out after 5 straight hours if I haven't wandered off already.

Generally firefighting, dealing with emails and various minor requests that all take less than half an hour but involve a lot of task switching.

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Post by ryan93 »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #111
ryan93 wrote: post #85

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Its not racist. I would support it if you are personally willing to take the punishment for any heinous crimes committed by immigrants.

It’s not racist!! > makes it even more racist

If you take actions that you know for a fact will lead to negative consequences for the people you are responsible for you should share the punishment.

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

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Post by voxl »

lvl102 wrote: post #46
orangepurple wrote: post #7

Meanwhile in China... Excerpts below taken from the website https://996.icu/#/en_US What is "996"? 996 working, ICU waiting. A "996" work schedule refers to an unofficial work schedule (9a.m. ~ 9p.m., 6 days a week) that has been gaining in popularity. Serving a company that encourages the "996" work schedule usually means working for at least 60 hours a week. In early September 2016, it was said that 58.com (58同城, a…

Let’s be honest, if you ever worked in East Asian countries with these work ethic culture, you’d know they just sit around the office doing absolutely nothing. It’s bullshit.

Do you really think a factory worker doing 996 isn't constantly moving/making something? Because if so, then you've clearly never done any factory work, in the US or otherwise, those jobs are nonstop work, even if it is menial work.

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #17
s5300 wrote: post #13

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There are some rich people in the US who endorse 996. Calacanis being one. Imagine trying to be a bigger piece of shit. Japan isn’t even 996 & they’re going to have to start forcing people to have kids at gunpoint or kinda implode as a nation. Near purely because of their abysmal work culture. I recall when Cards Against Humanity paid for their overseas factory workers a day off by paying for a full factory day with…

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Japans xenophobia is a problem in that they can’t bandaid their birth rate issues with immigration the way other countries have been able to, but that doesn’t make it not a problem. Immigrants arrive and then have similar birth rates within a generation or so.

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Post by semanticjudo »

dsr_ wrote: post #141

Can we agree that different people have different optimal working styles? Some people get everything done first thing in the morning and are useless in the afternoons. Some people can't get started until noon whatever their local time is. Some people can commit to 10 or 12 hour days, and if so, it's not fair to ask them to work 5 days a week at that rate. Some people work best in private offices, some at separated wo…

Saving to copy/paste on every [X workstyle] is best thread…

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Post by petergriffeen »

high_byte wrote: post #105
irrational wrote: post #97

This is the great thing about remote working. When I worked in the office I felt like I needed to be seen working, even if I really wasn’t because, let’s face it, programming often requires time not working to allow your subconscious to figure out the solution to the problem you are working on. So I would have my butt in the seat, but wasn’t actually doing anything. Now with remote work I can go for a walk, do the di…

yes. people don't realize this, but IT'S OKAY to take a break... in my last office, besides dragging feet to get coffee it seemed people wouldn't even go stretch for 10 seconds. they even bought a brand new PS5 and NEVER even played for months and months (and it probably still accumulates dust over there...) it seemed inhumane - and crazy nobody told them it wasn't okay or anything... I like getting some sun, let the…

there's an unspoken rule to appear productive and "committed" while in the office, especially when everyone else - including your engineering manager - is doing it, you feel a pressure to do the same!

same thing for not leaving home at 5pm sharp and waiting 15-30 mins before you allow yourself to leave

it has to start from the top

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Post by gituliar »

Given that we have a limited number of productive hours per day, say 3-4, the overall performance is better with 5-day workweek. Add 2-3 hours of tuning your mind, meetings, emails, etc. Which gives 5-7 hours. In line with what you said.

So, next time you negotiate a raise with you manager, ask for less hours instead of more $$$.

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Post by fallingfrog »

Why not both? Or, alternatively, 3 8-hour days? I'd take a pay cut to 60% of my current salary for a 3 day work week, absolutely.

I do my very best when I'm at work. But, it's dead time to me. I have a lot of ambitions, projects, I write music, I'm trying to learn to draw, I have kids, and I yet have to give 8 hours of my day to just keep the lights on. Life is too short for that!

It's employee evaluation time at work right now. I always wonder: what would happen if I sat my wife down and had her write a document defending her performance as my spouse? And then I ranked her and told her whether it was satisfactory. And I had her record what she was doing with her time every day. I wonder what her reaction would be. That's pretty much how I feel about employee evaluations.

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Post by barkerja »

dsr_ wrote: post #141

Can we agree that different people have different optimal working styles? Some people get everything done first thing in the morning and are useless in the afternoons. Some people can't get started until noon whatever their local time is. Some people can commit to 10 or 12 hour days, and if so, it's not fair to ask them to work 5 days a week at that rate. Some people work best in private offices, some at separated wo…

Agree 100% with this take. But my question is: how do you mesh all these types together and run an effective team/company? Or is that even possible?

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Post by rr808 »

high_byte wrote: post #99
rr808 wrote: post #47

Damn the tech bubble is bigger than I thought.

how so.?

Everyone I know in non-tech jobs work minimum 40 hours a week. I know a bunch of people doing minimum wage jobs doing 80+ hours a week. I remember tech in the early days (and still at many jobs) working dawn to dusk. Now it seems developers are choosing between 4 day weeks and 6 hours/day? the job market is going to get a rude awakening.
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