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Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by jonatron »

kilotaras wrote: post #90
Havoc wrote: post #43

Wild - that gets me barely a days worth of tube travel in london (6.5 EUR a day)

Yeah, UKs train tickets are ridiculous if you compare it to rest of Europe. And that's not even case of UK just being generally more expensive, e.g. cheapest StAlbans - London (~25 km) yearly pass costs around £4k. About a 1000 pounds more than Switzerland GA travelcard which covers basically any form of public transport in Switzerland.

Ebbsfleet International - London possibly beats that in cost per mile. £5272 or £6056 with London travelcard for about 20 miles / 32km.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Reason077 »

I wish they would restore stopover functionality on the international booking site (https://www.international-bahn.de/). I remember back when you could book a London to Berlin fare (for example) with Eurostar included, with stopovers up to 48 hours along the way. Amazing value for tourists - often you could visit multiple Belgian/German cities for not much more than what the Eurostar fare would cost alone.

The standard bahn.de site still allows stopovers, but since the pandemic you can no longer book Eurostar segments through it. Sad face.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by kuschku »

k8sToGo wrote: post #107
kuschku wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’ll move energy use from highly inefficient personal vehicles burning gasoline to highly efficient trains using mostly renewable electricity, during the summer where more than enough electricity is available.

Still plenty of diesel run train engines in Germany. Also coal is still being burnt. So I don't think it is mostly renewable.

In both of these cases, the energy per person-kilometer of transportation is orders of magnitudes lower than with an ICE car. So the energy usage would still go down

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by bowsamic »

dx034 wrote: post #101
bowsamic wrote: post #46

I'm extremely not excited about how insanely rammed the public transportation is going to be for the next three months Already here in Hamburg the busses are not at all empty!

If there's such an uptick in demand it would show that price was what kept people from using public transport. In that case I'm sure there will be a lot of pressure to make travel more affordable. So far, many claimed that a lack of availability was the reason public transport wasn't used more. I guess the next three months are a good way to validate that.

I don't think that would show that. It would show that some people don't want to make the investment for a monthly ticket if they aren't sure that they will use it. Now everyone will use the public transport at all times, without thinking about it. Even if the price for a monthly ticket was half its current price it still wouldn't be a no brainer to get one

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by hhlevnjak2 »

Escapado wrote: post #75

I would argue making it free and keeping it free would have been a cool move. - Less/no expensive accounting - Less/no personnel for checking tickets - Less/no personnel for prosecuting people who don't have tickets - Less/no ticket vending machines (and all the maintenance that comes with it) - Less traffic on the roads since you can't beat "free" and hence less emissions (at least in hamburg trains operate on green…

Perhaps it would work in DE, but it can create wrong incentives.

Here in Croatia, we had "free" public transport in some places for i.e. students travelling to school. But the price was still paid for by the cities/government to service operators. Which led to inflated prices for the service because there's always a way for the operator and some officials to collude together for extra profit. And the increases weren't transparent until at some point the tickets were no longer "free", and suddenly their cost was way over what it was before it became "free".

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by bmicraft »

captainmuon wrote: post #70
WA wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly the opposite. It should've been 0€, because then you: * don't have to sell tickets at all * don't have to check tickets in trains and reduce costs The overhead of selling tickets with the new price points might actually eat up all what's left of profits.

Officially, it is not free in order to gauge demand. Personally, I think there is an ideological and pedagogical element. They don't want people to get used to the idea that something like free transportation is possible. I heard an interesting talk a couple of years ago about university tuition fees. Germany has fairly low fees compared to other countries. At some universities it is more like a token fee, a couple h…

A couple hundred per year? I'm sitting here in Vienna complaining about paying 20,70€ per semester

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by Toboe »

riidom wrote: post #74
_0ffh wrote: post #36

I'm sure the private bus operators, who usually are the only cheap option to travel in Germany, are just thrilled by this additional market distortion.

They are. If you can squeeze an english translation out of this somehow, the article considers some potential problems: https://www.spiegel.de/auto/neun-euro-ticket-verkehrsbetrieb...

For Automatic translations involving German it usualy is a good idea to check https://www.deepl.com/

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by kuschku »

freemint wrote: post #78
kuschku wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s only one left, all the others went bankrupt, and that one (FlixBus) only offers long-distance journeys, while this ticket only applies to regional trains.

You might be confusing regional bus with long distance bus travel or ride for hire bus companies which will also be impacted.

Which private regional bus companies or ride for hire bus companies are supposed to exist in Germany? I’m 26, but I’ve never heard or seen of any such company besides the long-distance travel with FlixBus (and formerly PostBus, InterCityBus, etc)

The bus companies which operate official lines for Verkehrsverbünde will get paid the same as always, they’re not affected by the 9-Euro-Ticket.

Re: 9-Euro-Ticket

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Post by bowsamic »

sascha_sl wrote: post #73
bowsamic wrote: post #46

I'm extremely not excited about how insanely rammed the public transportation is going to be for the next three months Already here in Hamburg the busses are not at all empty!

And I can't wait for the usual politicians from FDP and Union to draw the conclusion that free or cheaper public transport will forever be unfeasible, not that we need to invest more into the rail network.

Here in Hamburg it's really the busses that get overwhelmed. The S-Bahn and U-Bahn are rarely overly full compared to the busses.
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