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Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

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Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#91

I think people with 1 hour commutes would definitely prefer 4 day weeks

for me it was 30 minutes commute for only 2 days a week, usually at least one direction was carpooling with a coworker so beyond tolerable, even enjoyable at times. but more than 1 hour while driving x5 days would be a no-no for me.

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#92
post #77

I disagree. I have 6-7 hour workdays. That's nice but no nearly as nice as another free day. I still feel like I have no time for my own life/projects. I still feel exhausted after working even 6-7-hours (because I'm not a morning person naturally yet have to go work in the morning) and the evening time (nor even an evening nap) never actually feels nice if I worked that day. I go out on Saturday, sleep until evening…

Change job dude, you are going to have a burn out

My job is easy, crisis-proof and generally fun, not to mention 6-7-hour workdays which many can only dream about (not a common thing to find at my location). I just hate getting up in mornings, having fixed time schedule and spending many days in a row working this way. But that's the standard almost everybody has to deal with. So I don't feel like changing the job. Perhaps I'm going to return to flexible-schedule gigs someday, that felt better except too insecure. I just hope the society is going to move to 4-day workweek. It's been so long since it last decreased the workweek length.

In fact I only share details about my sub-optimal perceived well-being because people tend to come up with useful suggestions of relevant supplements and practices. E.g. from my own experience I can say homemade kombucha can boost after-work evening well-being significantly (feels like some batches boost serotonin or something like that).

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#94
post #55

So I am seeing more and more of ideas like this; but I feel the need to challenge them a bit. Not the ideal; work less, have more fulfilling lives - I am all in. But all of these initiatives are focused on the wealthier office workers and sometimes factory/shift workers who are non-customer facing. But it totally ignores the service industry which is a huge part of our society (and arguably even more so if we end up…

> You will still want an Uber after 5pm, or a shop or restaurant to be open on a public holiday.

No one says this change doesn't apply to people in those industries or in shift work. You have to remember that the idea is more to reduce work from 40 hours per week to something like 32 hours per week (30 in OP's case).

In this case, you can still have restaurants open late, it would just mean the schedule would be shorter for all staff.

> But all of these initiatives are focused on the wealthier office workers and sometimes factory/shift workers who are non-customer facing. But it totally ignores the service industry which is a huge part of our society (and arguably even more so if we end up working less!).

The service industry could make up for the lack of coverage by hiring another person. Giving jobs to more people.

I do believe that the question of having a livable wage (supplemented or not by UBI) is a separate issue that should not impede giving people their time back.

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#95
post #79

There just is so much work that I don’t get how working 4 days will workout. The work isn’t going to scale down. The deadlines I don’t think will change. At my company which is a very typical big sv company, no one is watching how long you work but the work needs to get done.

I think most people would prefer focused work instead of more office idle time. think less days (hopefully) lead to less meetings (hopefully) lead to better time management.

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#96
I think it depends on the total number of hours per week. If we assume 40 hours regardless, I’d rather spread it out over 5x8 than work 4x10. Ten hours is just too long - even after 8, I’m mentally cooked.

If we’re shortening the work week by 4 hours, I’d rather take that as a single afternoon off. 4x8, then Friday is a half day (vs shortening 5 days by a fraction of an hour).

If we were to go to a 32 hour week, I’d probably want to just do 4x8 and have a 3 day weekend. That allows so many options for short trips, major home projects, camping, going downtown, etc. With the current 2-day weekend, I always feel torn between doing things that are fun vs doing chores. It’s never quite enough time.

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#97
This is the great thing about remote working. When I worked in the office I felt like I needed to be seen working, even if I really wasn’t because, let’s face it, programming often requires time not working to allow your subconscious to figure out the solution to the problem you are working on. So I would have my butt in the seat, but wasn’t actually doing anything. Now with remote work I can go for a walk, do the dishes, etc. while my mind is working through things. I get just as much actual work done (if not more), but I no longer need to pretend to be doing something for appearance sake.

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#98
post #34

I like working long hours, but 6 hours is the absolute max for the majority of people for intense intellectual or creative work for a sustained period of time. Most super prolific creatives (painters/composers) do a routine of between 1.5 and 3 hour sessions, one or two sessions per day. Depending on the person, but very consistent once the person figures out their routine. That means 1.5 - 6 hours total. But this do…

Well, I'd love to have 6 hours or more of intellectual/creative work per day but in reality I get only 2-3, the rest is meetings and distractions.

me too, but instead of meetings it's about energy. I can sit 18 hours on the computer if I have to, but rarely can I code for 18 hours. (sometimes I can but usually it's something very exciting and non-work related)

Re: Ask HN: 6-hour workdays more important than 4-day workweeks IMO

#100
I think this is the argument of whether to graze like a cow (working 2-4 hours 6 days a week) or work like a lion (working 9-10 hours 4 days a week). Neither is better in every case so it largely depends on what kind of work you're doing.

If you're answering emails and having meetings where everyone has to sync up during the day - I'd opt for the first one. If you're developing or coding where the time of day is irrelevant - I'd go for the second.

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