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The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked

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Re: The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked

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,,The crypto slump has been brutal’’ I’ve been holding Bitcoin since 2013, and this 50-60% retracement from the all time high was nothing compared to what I (and other people) were living through. I advise people to look at past volatility of Bitcoin before making an investment decision.

Or you could look at the absolutely factual statement that since Bitcoin isn’t a productive asset (in fact it’s the opposite it’s expensive to create) then every single dollar that will ever be taken out of Bitcoin is a dollar that some other person put in. This is not true of normal investments. For example the dollars you get from selling McDonald’s stock 30 years after purchasing it come from people buying hamburg…

> ... it come from people buying hamburgers

So from money someone else put into this whole hamburger thing and won't get it back?

> For example the dollars you get from selling McDonald’s stock 30 years after purchasing it come from people buying hamburgers.

Some dollars not all, and most likely bot even the most.

So the Bitcoin doesn't have this merchandise based mechanism for sucking the money out of the rest of the economy, so what? Only a part of the cash of the investors comes from it anyways. The rest comes from other investors who gambled wrong. Same as with Bitcoin.

Your argument is just a version of intrinsic value argument tgat crypto bros dismiss with a wide smile.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re financially backing and providing direct hands on strategic guidance to an active and blatant scheme to commit securities fraud then you are doing something you should not be doing. The previous sentence isn’t and shouldn’t be particularly controversial.

> If you’re financially backing and providing direct hands on strategic guidance to an active and blatant scheme to commit securities fraud then you are doing something you should not be doing. As you wrote it as a generic hypothetical, no, it’s not really controversial to me. If however you are meaning to say it as a passive aggressive way to accuse YC, yeah, it very much is controversial. To not be controversial (f…

By definition, a “YC Company” is given hundreds of thousands of dollars and direct hands on strategic advice on how to run the company. That’s the meaning of the concept.

The company in question has blatant securities fraud as their core business model.

QED

Here’s a logical construct in return. When people you like do unethical things they are still unethical.

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If tether manages to make people believe that its demise would derail the regular economy, and get bailed to keep their peg, then they’ve definitely screwed everyone over.

Solidcoins are great deal for issuers if solidcoins. At any point they can just take their money and run. And it would be a smart choice given to what happened to money that tried to keep UST peg.

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So far. If you spend any time in the research community you’ll realise that those problems are very likely to get solved. Lightning alone probably gets us there. Its volatility and UX, as well as how negatively it is perceived currently (by some people) look like bigger blockers to me.

What advancements have happened regarding lightning? Last I heard about lightning was around 2017, and 5 years later it doesn't really seem to have gained much adoption.

Fun fact: the Lightning whitepaper is now older than the Bitcoin whitepaper was when the former was published.

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I sold everything when btc hit 23000 man that felt like it was never getting any higher. But then again I remember screaming to my wife in disbelieve when 1 btc was 10€, and then shortly after that 100! So I’m just waiting for a dip below 23000 now. Btw, I like swimming naked.

It might happen in the next 6 months. Be ready.

Re: The cryptocurrency sell-off has exposed those swimming naked

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Looking at Google's 5 year graph of Bitcoin prices, it looks like there were 2 crashes last year of similar size as this one.

You should look at >10 year graph with a log scale. What happens now is mild.

Tou can do that here https://www.barchart.com/crypto/quotes/%5EBTCUSD/interactive...

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Tether truthing the eminent doom of tether is all well and good but why aren't we talking more about YCombinator promoting startups that burned their customer's money by sending it to anchor protocol UST ponzinomics while lying that those investments were held in USDC and USD? https://twitter.com/fatmanterra/status/1527153694218797058 https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/stablegains Or is it bad to talk about such t…

YC has never invested particularly morally knowing many of their founders and companies. I wouldn't say it's their strong suit.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was one of the most upvoted threads just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31431224

That's not the link under the Latest news section on https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/stablegains

That's a YC page ("they are talking"), not an HN page ("we are talking").

We already knew YC's ethics -- they proudly look for "naughty" founders who "hack real world systems" for personal gain.

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