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Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by smcl »

markshuttle wrote: post #147
smcl wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, in an in-person interview talking about something like this can be a nice way to settle into the interview and steady any nerves they might have - it's a question that doesn't have a wrong answer and doesn't (or shouldn't) have a "gotcha" attached that the candidate can be afraid of. It can spark a little conversation that could lead to other, more specific topics - but if it doesn't then no worries, it's…

Or, it allows for the conversation to start naturally from that point. "In your written interview, you observed that... can you expand on that?"

I don't think being confronted with an email I'd sent (or is it a form?) and being asked questions about it is natural at all. It is much weirder than actually having the conversation face-to-face.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by nix23 »

markshuttle wrote: post #156
nix23 wrote: post #150

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Na it's not about the size, it is that every product canonical build's is closed-source and has "mostly" shitty quality...quite the opposite to redhat.

I'm not sure whether you are poorly informed or simply over-generalising.

>simply over-generalising

Yes a bit, but:

Snap-Store? Ubuntu-One? You always try to create a wallet-garden with proprietary software as the main-repo/server with no additional gains against other opensource OR closedsource competitors.

Then you guy's see that it's not adopted as you wished, then you stop supporting it. It happened with Ubuntu-One and it will happen with Snaps.

Both times you made the server closed, but the clients open, just stop with that BS, and if you really have a vision at least stick with it (mir, ubuntu touch, unity...) you try to create something, be the leader of it, but at the same time expect that others work on it. If not instantly successful you drop it.

Do you really think someone wants to invest time/money in software that is owned and steered by such a "leader"?

You know when you presented Ubuntu-touch, i was thinking:

Wow that's the end for linux-laptops in like 5 years but no, you dropped it...i was completely disappointed, that was your chance to redefine client/terminal-computing.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by moosenuts »

markshuttle wrote: post #158
dekadetera wrote: post #79

Would not recommend working at Canonical. The CTO is incompetent, and bullies people out of the company if they disagree with him. Suggesting that the hiring process might be discriminatory may get you told that you "must live on fairy island" from where you should "send a postcard" on a company-wide email chain.

That was a regrettable exchange, and contrition was expressed.

It’s always the same story Mark. Sorry not sorry and the cycle continues.

Happens when you surround yourself with sycophants and can’t see it.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

smcl wrote: post #161
markshuttle wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, it allows for the conversation to start naturally from that point. "In your written interview, you observed that... can you expand on that?"

I don't think being confronted with an email I'd sent (or is it a form?) and being asked questions about it is natural at all. It is much weirder than actually having the conversation face-to-face.

It’s odd that you approach interviews with a confrontational frame of mind. I would totally expect, and be prepared for, an interviewer asking me to expand or comment on anything I send in as part of the process, be it the CV, application questions, code samples, coding exercises, and whatnot. It’s actually worse when an interviewer asks you questions that show they clearly didn’t read all those materials.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by smcl »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #164
smcl wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think being confronted with an email I'd sent (or is it a form?) and being asked questions about it is natural at all. It is much weirder than actually having the conversation face-to-face.

It’s odd that you approach interviews with a confrontational frame of mind. I would totally expect, and be prepared for, an interviewer asking me to expand or comment on anything I send in as part of the process, be it the CV, application questions, code samples, coding exercises, and whatnot. It’s actually worse when an interviewer asks you questions that show they clearly didn’t read all those materials.

I fully expect to be asked about my CV or experience in an interview, I do not find that or interviews in general to be confrontational. Or even if there was a programming assignment I had to submit, reviewing that stuff is normal. What I find weird is to fill out what is effectively an GTKY interview over text, then have someone pull out it out during an in-person interview to discuss.

Also even though I usually don't feel that way, it is completely ok for a candidate to feel confronted or cornered in an interview and not at all odd.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by cwayne »

nix23 wrote: post #150
markshuttle wrote: post #133

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Red Hat is 20x the size of Canonical, by revenue. We more than hold our own.

Na it's not about the size, it is that every product canonical build's is closed-source and has "mostly" shitty quality...quite the opposite to redhat.

I really don't think that's fair to say, there's great teams there that are focused entirely on quality of the products.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by nix23 »

cwayne wrote: post #166
nix23 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Na it's not about the size, it is that every product canonical build's is closed-source and has "mostly" shitty quality...quite the opposite to redhat.

I really don't think that's fair to say, there's great teams there that are focused entirely on quality of the products.

That's exactly what Boeing said too.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by latchkey »

markshuttle wrote: post #140
latchkey wrote: post #24

I feel like it is hard enough to hire people, especially good devops, why turn people off this badly?

Lots of people won't do this work, it's true. But the ones who will, are much more likely to make phenomenal colleagues. They care, they are focused, they are diligent. Things work better when you are in a team with more of that. Try it someday.

Try what someday? Making people jump through silly hoops and run a business that gets ripped on for odd hiring practices? No thanks. I'll stick with my current hiring practices.

Thanks for Ubuntu by the way. I've got well over 15k servers running it right now and wouldn't even consider anything else.

Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by [deleted] »

markshuttle wrote: post #144
ww520 wrote: post #73

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High school is relevant for people don't do much after high school. It shows the level of expectation they have for their candidates.

High school is also a very similar experience for people all over the world, which is not the case for university or work experience. If you are interested in understanding underlying interests, social dynamics and attitudes in a global pool of applications, then you are interested in things which are similar globally even if the connection might not be obvious.

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Re: The bulls**t Canonical wants you to jump through before they will give

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Post by eventhorizon77 »

markshuttle wrote: post #144
ww520 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High school is relevant for people don't do much after high school. It shows the level of expectation they have for their candidates.

High school is also a very similar experience for people all over the world, which is not the case for university or work experience. If you are interested in understanding underlying interests, social dynamics and attitudes in a global pool of applications, then you are interested in things which are similar globally even if the connection might not be obvious.

I think you are mistaken about the relevance of high school. For a lot of people, high school was a traumatic and/or violent experience that they would rather forget. Does making high school "suddenly relevant" put up an artificial barrier-to-entry for candidates that were able to overcome bad experiences in high school and move on to something better? What about candidates who say something like "high school was awful and I got out as quickly as I could"? Maybe you have a bias in hiring toward candidates who are good at "making stuff up that sounds good"?
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