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The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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this is those kinds of mob behaviours that induce crisises, the self-fulfilling cause of a crash of consumption that will then actually make you need to tighten spending. The first initiators are the most responsible.

It's cause and effect. You can't convince people not to worry about things they're worried about.

Well if you actually convince them you solve the crisis. Since this mindset is not taught in public education it is left as an individual responsibility. I would promote autocratic censorship/tamming down of hysteric/fear mongering mediatic reporting on this specific topic but our government are not ready for that.

Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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"cannot possibly provide the value necessary to keep their job." It's actually very much possibly for software engineers, at least, to justify high valuations. As an example when I joined Reddit my first task was to remake a data engineering server in scala that cut down the needed AWS machines by 70%. That cost saving already covered more than my salary in perpetuity and I was only 3 months in.

By that logic, any salary In reality there is a job market, and there are office politics. These determine salaries more than "marginal revenue of labour". This means that as long as someone who is employable by office-political standards will do the job cheaper, the salary can be contested.

I get your point. But to add to it, there is a labor shortage of good software engineers and that contributes to the high salary. We are still digitizing our economy, we are still disrupting non tech savvy businesses with tech first startups, and we are barely beginning to apply ML all the areas it could make gains. Please see more_corn's comment in this thread about how they haven't found a job yet where they couldn't immediately save the company 10k a month. There is no shortage of work to be done and a real shortage of people who can do it. So the reality is yes, any salary < 70% of AWS cost is justifiable in this example.

Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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the entire point of large scale technological literacy is to replace the tech sector. no web app you write is going to be more useful to an organization than an administrative staff that just knows SQL and can use it on the fly for queries, reports, and analysis. software developers are working against the tide: think about how much simpler dev tools are than user tools. as users become more sophisticated then you ex…

"as users become more sophisticated then you expect them to need simpler rather than more complex tools." That sentence seems inherently contradictory. ...and yet all the stuff being built by and large makes users less sophisticated as consumers and their 'technological literacy' questionable. At no point in the last 3 decades, and no one moving forward currently, has shown any interest in making the masses use SQL f…

enterprise software isn't built for users, it's built for the upper level administrators who contract the software, and for the amusement and profit of the engineers who are paid a large multiple of the salaries of any of the people who will be forced to use their systems and consume their ads at work. the result is developers getting paid a lot, not improving anyone's life, and then spending their earnings on our labor time, when we become available as food service workers, sex workers, and so on. the categories of technical competence and social awareness are not supposed to intersect.

as a developer you know perfectly well that as you become more sophisticated you can do much more using much simpler tools.

i don't think you people have any idea of the kind of environment into which your software is deployed. you're mostly happy to ship any crap that will superficially justify the infinite expansion of bloatware that you get paid to produce.

Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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post #196

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"as users become more sophisticated then you expect them to need simpler rather than more complex tools." That sentence seems inherently contradictory. ...and yet all the stuff being built by and large makes users less sophisticated as consumers and their 'technological literacy' questionable. At no point in the last 3 decades, and no one moving forward currently, has shown any interest in making the masses use SQL f…

enterprise software isn't built for users, it's built for the upper level administrators who contract the software, and for the amusement and profit of the engineers who are paid a large multiple of the salaries of any of the people who will be forced to use their systems and consume their ads at work. the result is developers getting paid a lot, not improving anyone's life, and then spending their earnings on our la…

"enterprise software isn't built for users, it's built for the upper level administrators who contract the software, and for the amusement and profit of the engineers who are paid a large multiple of the salaries of any of the people who will be forced to use their systems and consume their ads at work."

That might be generally the case (and certainly historically true) but that has been changing for the last decade (disclosure, I worked in CRM for a decade and that was very much position taken internally, "focus on actual users at least as much as any upstream stakeholder" especially as mobile started to really take off).

"the categories of technical competence and social awareness are not supposed to intersect."

Not supposed to, or avoided by certain folks in order to expand a customer base to the biggest L in the LCD acronym possible?

Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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post #253

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enterprise software isn't built for users, it's built for the upper level administrators who contract the software, and for the amusement and profit of the engineers who are paid a large multiple of the salaries of any of the people who will be forced to use their systems and consume their ads at work. the result is developers getting paid a lot, not improving anyone's life, and then spending their earnings on our la…

"enterprise software isn't built for users, it's built for the upper level administrators who contract the software, and for the amusement and profit of the engineers who are paid a large multiple of the salaries of any of the people who will be forced to use their systems and consume their ads at work." That might be generally the case (and certainly historically true) but that has been changing for the last decade…

no, it's not changing, i'm sorry to say, and thank you for your disclosure, but i'm afraid you are not in a position to see the problem clearly.

not supposed to, as in, a majority of industry stakeholders have (apparently, based on their behavior) strong motivations to mystify technology to themselves and others, to represent maintenance as innovation, and so on, because disruption and innovation are the standards we've set for ourselves.

in the meantime, we have such disasters happening as js-dependent archive.org. how can this be tolerated?

i certainly believe that your company's internal position was to "focus on users" but the truth is that managing the flaws of overengineered systems in practice takes up a huge amount of administrators' time, and they develop no competencies as a result, so it is pure wasted time. most of them have no idea that there exists a relatively simple language for looking up student data. no one has ever told them "there exists a simple way of saying 'give me a list of all the students who failed calculus last year'" or whatever. lots of them still have to navigate ancient terminal applications, and all the people who could theoretically be helping these organizations reorganize themselves and use technology better are making very big salaries just selling them overengineered software instead.

since the software is bloated and breaking the web, the organization also ends up upgrading its hardware frequently, so all the ancient contracts with dell and cisco and whatever keep grinding, and as a result video games look prettier and the military has more targeting computers and surveillance devices, and the developer class gets paid to… what? invest in real estate, vr equipment, and an illusion of progress?

Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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"enterprise software isn't built for users, it's built for the upper level administrators who contract the software, and for the amusement and profit of the engineers who are paid a large multiple of the salaries of any of the people who will be forced to use their systems and consume their ads at work." That might be generally the case (and certainly historically true) but that has been changing for the last decade…

no, it's not changing, i'm sorry to say, and thank you for your disclosure, but i'm afraid you are not in a position to see the problem clearly. not supposed to, as in, a majority of industry stakeholders have (apparently, based on their behavior) strong motivations to mystify technology to themselves and others, to represent maintenance as innovation, and so on, because disruption and innovation are the standards we…

"i'm afraid you are not in a position to see the problem clearly."

Actually I am. I've worked both sides of the problem (and in that regard I agree its a problem), and see deficits on both, hence a different opinion, but thanks for the condescension and presumptive dismissal, as I now know about what further effort to devote to this conversation, which ends at the following period.

Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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There’s nothing being funded right now. If you didn’t raise before earlier this year (and really late last year) and your runway is Reminds me more of 2016 than 2k though.

not really, freelance platform I worked on briefly announced $55m series A yesterday, it's slowed down, but there are still money for the right companies I guess

I think I know what platform you are speaking of. Mind if I ask why your experience there was brief? I have been thinking about applying there later this year.

Re: The tech sector teardown is more catharsis than crisis

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post #255

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no, it's not changing, i'm sorry to say, and thank you for your disclosure, but i'm afraid you are not in a position to see the problem clearly. not supposed to, as in, a majority of industry stakeholders have (apparently, based on their behavior) strong motivations to mystify technology to themselves and others, to represent maintenance as innovation, and so on, because disruption and innovation are the standards we…

"i'm afraid you are not in a position to see the problem clearly." Actually I am. I've worked both sides of the problem (and in that regard I agree its a problem), and see deficits on both, hence a different opinion, but thanks for the condescension and presumptive dismissal, as I now know about what further effort to devote to this conversation, which ends at the following period.

convenient, enjoy your "both sides". truly, you can have it all.
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