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Re: I'm an addict

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I agree with this completely. I sounded just like the OP. I struggled with it for decades. Then recently I was diagnosed and started taking medication. Some of the problems basically stopped instantly. I implore anyone reading this and noticing it in themselves to go to a professional and find out if you have ADHD or not. I am by no means "cured" or completely functional but at least now I have a fighting chance.

Glad it works for you but I don't think taking "party drugs" on a daily basis is a good long-term idea

That's an unfair and incredibly dangerous description of ADHD medications.

First off there are multiple types of ADHD drugs. I presume you are referring to stimulant drugs which are the most commonly prescribed for ADHD, but there are many non-stimulant drugs available for ADHD particular in the USA.

Second stimulants are only party drugs if you abuse them. At prescribed doses they're very safe long term, so long as you've no heart issues. You often get a mild euphoria when you first start or increase a dose but it stops after a few days of use. The same applies to a lot of medications, they can get you high when abused but that's no reason not to use them at the prescribed doses.

Third there's plenty of evidence to suggest that the end effect of stimulants is different for many with ADHD and that they're less likely to abuse them due to this. The drugs do the same thing to everyone but due to lower levels of dopamine and/or higher sensitivity to dopamine many people with ADHD don't get high the same way if they abuse their meds.

Fourth there are lots of long last slow release meds which are difficult to abuse. Vyvanse in particular is almost impossible to abuse as it metabolizes into amphetamines after you take it and there's no way to speed up the reaction enough to abuse it.

Fifth to get diagnosed with ADHD your symptoms have to be having a severe negative effect on you life in multiple areas. I can't find the stats atm but life expectancy for undiagnosed and untreated ADHD sufferers is significantly lower than average mostly due to risky behaviour, mental health and bad consumption habits (food and self medicating with other far more dangerous substances). So the risk of any stimulant medication (which is extremely low for most people) has to be weighed against the risks of being untreated.

That's not to say there aren't any potential issues with ADHD meds. Everyone reacts differently so you should be careful and only take them under the supervision of a trained Psychologist. They're also not sufficient on their own. But they're well studied, extremely safe when used correctly and statistically the most effective individual treatment by far for a very serious condition. So please don't post misleading things like this and put people off of seeking potentially life changing treatment.

Re: I'm an addict

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I'm curious to know whether OP has experienced full on addiction to substances, gambling or sex. Because what he's describing does not seem to be any of those things, more about complaints that Youtube's recommendation algorithm is causing him to stay on that platform for hours. I don't know what other "pleasures' he is alluding to but I could infer here and say OP is male and he is probably referring to internet pornography.

All of these things could very well be what you end up doing but its really up to the individual to make the choices and change. You can't really do this reading an article like this nor can you find any solace by identifying others with your problem because it quickly becomes Wounded Club.

Instead of growing wiser, you stay wounded, thinking there is something wrong with you and you just end up like OP, watching youtube for hours on end, reading hackernews/reddit comments. If this is something you like to change then you need to take action. Without action all the advice in the world will do you squat.

Unfortunately, as of late, its become fashionable and quite profitable to humblebrag about non-issues. Do you really think that if OP's behavior is possible if their life depended on it? I think not.

One is too lazy to make a change then who's at fault? You can throw whatever 4 letter medical term and write entire books on it. It won't matter. If it is to be then its up to me.

Re: I'm an addict

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Sounds like OP isn't necessarily an addict: they have ADHD. Half the article was them complaining about poor working memory, and the rest about getting stimulation/dopamine from unhealthy sources. Everyone has "a little ADHD". We all occasionally , forget things, hyperfocus on things we are excited about, etc. ADHD is the disorder of having those struggles so often it's debilitating. It stems from having an underdeve…

This shouldn't be flagged... This was a totally valid comment which generated tons of fine discussion.

Re: I'm an addict

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post #217

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We agree on the meaning then! :) This reminded me of the intro to “A universe from nothing”, where the author says (paraphrasing) “why is there life is the wrong question, but we can try to answer how is there life?”

Can you elaborate on what is meant by "the wrong question"?

Not OP, but I think I can add my 2c here.

It means (pun intended) that the meaning is not self sustaining term in our reality - there is no absolute meaning outside of our perception. There is only relative meaning (as in what kind of meaning my perception assigns to things that can be observed by me - simply put - we create our own meaning).

It can be simplified further to there is no meaning or the meaning does not exist but in my opinion this is oversimplification and reeks of nihilism.

So if You look at things from the point of view described above the "why" question (which can be paraphrased to "what is the meaning") is wrong.

Re: I'm an addict

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They are speaking figuratively about the day being gone.

That does not clarify things for me.

Okay, they are not literally adding up the hours in the day and accounting for how they spend 24 hours. Obviously they didn't include eating and bathroom breaks, so we know there are omissions here. They are saying the sum total of what they feel they are accomplishing in a day is waste time on Youtube and HN, and then sleep for a short amount of time. Maybe it's 3 hours, maybe longer. Later in the post the author says they have trouble with their memory, so these numbers may not mean anything at all in an absolute sense. The point though is that the author feels like their entire day is consumed with videos.

Re: I'm an addict

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Autism is also classified as a neurodevelopmental disorder, and yet it is a spectrum. The fact that we, as humans, have to decide who gets the label of 'Has the Disorder' and who doesn't is just an artifact of how we like to label things. For the same reason that you don't magically go from a child to an adult the minute you turn 18. There is a smooth spectrum of development as people age, but for practical and legal…

I agree, I think I was making the distinction between doing X due to reasons you're happy with and that are considered normal and doing X due to anxiety. Those two X's are not the same, and it isn't useful to compare them even though they appear comparable or similar or the same. The key bit is the anxiety (however small or large, frequent or infrequent) that makes the distinction.

Okay, I see what you mean with the clean hands analogy now. I've definitely seen people on social media for example using OCD as an exaggeration for completely normal, even positive things.

I agree it's not very useful to use labels for behaviors that are considered normal and don't have any negative cause or impact (whether that's anxiety or something else).

My understanding is that a good part of the diagnosis of many disorders, as per the DSM, is by looking at the impact they have on one's life. If someone is perfectly happy with what they're doing, it's certainly an important distinction that makes labeling them with X disorder somewhat less meaningful.

Re: I'm an addict

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Medication came with unacceptable side-effects for me. Real bummer.

There may be different medications that can help. I was initially given Dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) and it was so good and I wrote the most beautiful code and my focus was pure and I needed more and more and I lined the pills up at night and did I mention beautiful code, on on sentences and becoming insufferable? Anyway, I switched to a different stimulant (vyvanse) which had a more measured effect and did not lead…

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Re: I'm an addict

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post #339

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I agree with this completely. I sounded just like the OP. I struggled with it for decades. Then recently I was diagnosed and started taking medication. Some of the problems basically stopped instantly. I implore anyone reading this and noticing it in themselves to go to a professional and find out if you have ADHD or not. I am by no means "cured" or completely functional but at least now I have a fighting chance.

Medication came with unacceptable side-effects for me. Real bummer.

I will not assume what you took or what doctor prescribed it but will provide you with the advice I received from a psychiatrist who specializes in ADHD.

If the medication doesn’t work or has side-effects, try a new one. Find a doctor (or more ideally a psychiatrist) who starts you on the lowest dose (if a stimulant) and slowly ramps you up.

The right dose is when, after taking the medication for some time like 2-4 weeks, you don’t feel much but at the end of the day you can reflect and realize you did way more than usual.

Medication is a small part of ADHD treatment. People have shown improvement with healthy coping mechanisms, strategies, exercise, healthy diet, etc. I’ve heard even an official diagnosis can relieve it a bit.

Of course ADHD is a blanket term and everyone’s is different. But it is possible that you would have a better experience with meds with a better doctor. I’m on meds and all my side effects have gone away due to my body adjusting, due to me buying brand name medications, and in my switch to Adderall XR. A better doctor can help you with all of this.

Re: I'm an addict

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post #339

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I agree with this completely. I sounded just like the OP. I struggled with it for decades. Then recently I was diagnosed and started taking medication. Some of the problems basically stopped instantly. I implore anyone reading this and noticing it in themselves to go to a professional and find out if you have ADHD or not. I am by no means "cured" or completely functional but at least now I have a fighting chance.

Medication came with unacceptable side-effects for me. Real bummer.

Bupropion (Wellbutrin, Zyban) is not a stimulant but can help with ADHD. May be worth checking in cases where stimulants aren't an option. It's however not an ADHD wonder drug and Wikipedia article[1] states that:

> bupropion may be effective for ADHD but (...) this conclusion has to be interpreted with caution, because clinical trials were of low quality due to small sizes and risk of bias

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion#Attention_deficit_hy...

Re: I'm an addict

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I dont like the idea of replacing the time spend compulsively procrastinating with "learning a new language, getting a pet, going to the gym" is the right way. I see the root cause (for me atleast (used to read HN and blogs for 4 hours everyday)) is that i cant stand being with myself. During the last two months ive been trying to not panic when i'm idle. And not take out my phone or read the nearest material i can l…

They're just cliche ideas for how to fill the time. Anyone one who tries to break an addiction suddenly finds themselves with a lot of free time they don't know how to fill. But on that note, have multiple kids AND get a pet. You'll never have a free minute again.

I would strongly argue against having kids as a solution for any of life‘s problems. Kids are an incredibly demanding venture and can exacerbate existing problems. Speaking from experience here.
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