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YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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The last few weeks (months, really) has highlighted an incredible lack of discernment in the VC-verse wrt the thing we call web3. Now. I have no experience doing what YC does and don’t claim to, but the jig here was so transparent that the smallest drop of “street smart” should’ve been enough to set off some alarms. We’re approaching a point where being passed over for “culture fit” is a compliment. Hopefully the emb…

The participation of big-name Silicon Valley VC in some obvious financial frauds is really disappointing to me.

I guess that's no worse than Tim Draper of DFJ continuing to defend Theranos even after it was exposed as a fraud.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/10/early-theranos-investor-tim-...

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$42 million of real people’s money was lost. That’s a net negative to society whether or not it shows up on a balance sheet.

The money changed hands... from people gambling on financial instruments to other people who are probably also gambling on financial instruments. Significant real value was only destroyed forever if the underlying tech for this is based on proof of work. Mining bitcoin destroys an enormous amount of ~real value, and nobody who cares about the advancement of society should touch it. Proof of work crypto mining is some…

> Significant real value was only destroyed forever if the underlying tech for this is based on proof of work.

Terra is a proof-of-stake blockchain

Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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"Stablegains makes earning with DeFi simple and safe for consumers and businesses alike."

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and you cannot earn above inflation returns without taking on risk. Even money market funds, which is what stablecoins are similar to for fiat currencies, are not without risk.

But there is such a thing as a lunch paid by suckers, and many people have eaten their fill

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I publicly called out LUNA/UST on Twitter a few times a few months before the collapse [0] [1]. Just stating this so it's clear that I don't have any interest defending them. That being said, calling these platforms "ponzis" isn't correct, the most you can say is that they were front ends for a ponzi. It would be like setting up a front-end to receive investments, and then depositing the money with Madoff. I'm not sa…

It wasn’t so obvious for some people… https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=697248 https://medium.com/terra-money/have-you-met-marco-216ca2a8b9... https://assets.website-files.com/611153e7af981472d8da199c/61... https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amaz... Why did you decide to join Terra? I thought Terra provided the perfect environment to apply what I learned in my research. Ensurin…

Nothing in there indicates that he thought Terra would stay stable. Indeed, you can even read it has him wanting him to be involved becuase he found the lack of stability an interesting problem to try and solve.

Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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They’re just one of several shiny fintech apps/websites running the same scam, a modern two-and-twenty on a ponzi — but with really nice UI. Alice (alice.co / @alice_finance) is another prominent one that may have lost customer funds, which was also using the Anchor protocol. It’s unclear how much they lost, but it’s interesting that Do Kwon’s name is still an actual logo listed on their home page. And Vertex Protoco…

Oh dear, I checked out the alice.io site and at the bottom they mention being "Trusted by the best", one of the best being Do Kwon. Awkwardddd.

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So how is the 20% interest created? Excuse my ignorance on crypto. I don’t understand how UST can drop 90% when I assume it required some sort payment of some other currency/coins to get mint them. I heard it was tens billions of UST was minted. So what happened to these coins? Were they used to pay out the interest?

To be clear, I was interpreting josu's “these platforms” as the layers on top of UST, not inclusive of UST itself. He also mentions that they might be ”front ends for a ponzi” which is basically where I fall on this. (So, to your question, the answer would be that the yields in fact do come from a ponzi mechanic) This is a pretty meaningless distinction if you invested in them, because you were exposed to the same me…

A feeder fund for a Ponzi is a still a ponzi, even if it is a step removed from the core fund. Thus a "front-end for a ponzi" is a ponzi.

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Fraud is very obvious. Which part of it is simply “gross negligence”?

They drank the kool-aid and actually thought that the risk of a depeg was very low, or that they would be able to pull out the money in time? Hanlon's razor.

I don't think Hanlon's razor is safe to apply in the finacial/cryptocurrency space.

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Another negative story about a YC company which has risen to the front page of HN and then seems to be getting a lot of pressure to get ranked down. It has more points and is fresher then a handful of other stories on the frontpage but ranks lower and is falling quickly. And when mentioned in the past, the reason often is the invisible anti-flamewar or similar features. What is it this time? Elon needs to buy HN and…

Wow, you're absolutely right. This story about how HN invested in an obvious Ponzi scheme (seriously, if the name Stablegains doesn't throw off alarm bells, you deserve to lose your money) fell over 10 spaces in the time it took me to click to the comments, read your comment, and click back to check.

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Trustless computing might have a future, trustless money no.

Money is a use case that attracts scams indeed, and will be harder to get right. But we're building for a future where apps like Calendly can be smart contracts. With new blockchains* that have a very low tx fee (imagine $0.00001 / tx), I clearly see many services migrate to smart contracts. They won't require any subscription, existing data is never at risk of being wiped out, and hopefully we will keep optimizing a…

Excuse my language, but why the fuck would I want my calendar on the blockchain, and also pay for the privilege?
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