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Re: I'm an addict

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Post by mantas »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #82
SnowHill9902 wrote: post #23

Knowing that HN is generally against it, I say it anyway: I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. Christianity and Judaism both have excellent resources. Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists but are generally dismissed by non-believers. Edit: for those asking for specific recommendations. It’s always best to find your own p…

Nothing quite like fear of eternal damnation to motivate oneself.

The problem is that many people otherwise don't have motivation.

Why strive for anything? Especially when the very bare minimum for survival is already covered by community.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by _gabe_ »

kanonieer wrote: post #89
bowsamic wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unnecessarily aggressive and rude. This just reads like you feel superior to religious people

I have no issues with religious people. I do however have issues with "missionary" types popping up around people who are vulnerable, trying to convince them with completely baseless claims of wellness.

Considering the vast majority of people who have overcome addictions with the help of religion and a religious community, "completely baseless claims of wellness" is pretty exaggerated no?

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by HideousKojima »

seti0Cha wrote: post #71
paskozdilar wrote: post #56

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The problem I have with religion is the focus on "removing the doubt", which I strongly disagree with - doubting a god's existance is a major no-no in most popular religions. And as soon as you remove the doubt ban, you don't really have a religion anymore, but a philosophy. So I'd personally recommend philosophy to people, instead of religion. Bertrand Russell (also known for his mathematical work) is an excellent p…

That's only true on the folk-religion side of things. I can't speak to other faiths, but serious Christian thought has always engaged with doubt.

One of the most famous examples being C.S. Lewis himself, his book A Grief Observed (written after his wife passed) being one of the most clear examples of it. On a slightly related note, there's an excellent film adaptation about C.S. Lewis's relationship with his wife called Shadowlands, starring Anthony Hopkins. Amazing that the man who played Hannibal Lecter could also portray the most famous Christian thinker of the 20th century so well.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by bishopsmother »

This is why I'm building SocialsDetox. Tarun - if you register your interest (see about) I'll set you up with an account when it's ready for testing. With your help hopefully arriving at a method(s) to wean off Social Media, as opposed to cold turkey.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by fartcannon »

loudmax wrote: post #46
SnowHill9902 wrote: post #23

Knowing that HN is generally against it, I say it anyway: I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. Christianity and Judaism both have excellent resources. Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists but are generally dismissed by non-believers. Edit: for those asking for specific recommendations. It’s always best to find your own p…

Islam also has significant things to say on the issue. Hinduism and Buddhism likely have insights as well. Zoroastrianism may also have something to offer here. Maybe it's time to revive it.

Zoroastrianism is still practiced. I met one just the other day. A quick google backs up your point though, there might only be a couple hundred thousand left.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by klondike_klive »

michalstanko wrote: post #14

It scares me how much this reminds me of myself. I don't know how I was able to keep my job (and keep the roof over my family's heads) with my habit of not being able to concentrate on work at all because the minute I need to think a bit harder I immediately switch to reading news, HN or watching YouTube, only to finish my work late in the evening to save my ass (on good days).

Not that I've conquered it by any means, but I find narrating helps for me to maintain a thread of activity. Lots of my work involves switching between applications & cloud folders and any break in that can trip me up. I find if I talk to myself as if I were explaining what I'm doing (ie a tutorial but not as rigorous) that really helps. I used to use screen capture software to take time-lapse videos to give myself the impression I was being watched/monitored. But that isn't as effective as I know I'll probably never watch them.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by rahoulb »

projektfu wrote: post #67
cassepipe wrote: post #59

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Interesting take. Is it from experience or an ego boost by comparing yourself to those who have relapsed ?

Can you ask more politely or are you dissing me intentionally?

Saying

> Going cold turkey and never drinking again is the simple solution and it doesn't require all the drama

is very impolite to everyone who has ever struggled with any addiction.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by WHA8m »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #98
kanonieer wrote: post #48

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> Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists Any sources that will back this claim? Oh wait, you don't need facts. Do you give this sort of unsolicited religious advice to everyone or do you specifically choose people who are troubled?

>Any sources that will back this claim? Oh wait, you don't need facts. Do you give this sort of unsolicited religious advice to everyone or do you specifically choose people who are troubled? I mean, there's a fairly strong Darwinistic argument for the validity of certain religions. Very few belief systems have survived a hostile environment for anywhere near as long as the big religions. If religious belief systems…

After reading through all the Dune books, I built up quite some awe for the catholic church. I'm not a believer, but this is fascinating how such an institution can survive for such a long time. I'm really wondering what happed behind closed doors or just things that we don't know that they pulled off to keep power. This is not meant as a critique.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by DocTomoe »

paskozdilar wrote: post #56
SnowHill9902 wrote: post #23

Knowing that HN is generally against it, I say it anyway: I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. Christianity and Judaism both have excellent resources. Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists but are generally dismissed by non-believers. Edit: for those asking for specific recommendations. It’s always best to find your own p…

The problem I have with religion is the focus on "removing the doubt", which I strongly disagree with - doubting a god's existance is a major no-no in most popular religions. And as soon as you remove the doubt ban, you don't really have a religion anymore, but a philosophy. So I'd personally recommend philosophy to people, instead of religion. Bertrand Russell (also known for his mathematical work) is an excellent p…

That's why many of us opt for eastern traditions - which are generally pretty good at separating the philosophical aspects from the belief aspects.

Re: I'm an addict

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Post by mantas »

igorkraw wrote: post #42
SnowHill9902 wrote: post #23

Knowing that HN is generally against it, I say it anyway: I recommend religion and religious teachings which address this and many other daily worldly issues perfectly. Christianity and Judaism both have excellent resources. Religious scholars have actually been the best psychologists but are generally dismissed by non-believers. Edit: for those asking for specific recommendations. It’s always best to find your own p…

I'm not against religion, but you just want to add you don't need religion to get what I think is the good core of religions: healing stories and narratives, texts, mantras, rituals that help you in the moment, a community which shares your perspective and in the end, an explanation for existential dread, horrible things happenings and a way to get meaning . You can find it in humanism, you can find it in secular phi…

The difference is that religion is usually a known & tried way to run a society. It may be not perfect, but otherwise old religions wouldn't survive.

Meanwhile many modern replacements usually don't have any longevity. Maybe one of them will survive but only time will tell.

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