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YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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> It would be like setting up a front-end to receive investments, and then depositing the money with Madoff. I'm not saying it's a legitimate business, just not a ponzi. So, it’s neither legitimate nor a Ponzi. Cool, what is it then?

IANAL, but anything between fraud and gross negligence I guess.

Fraud is very obvious. Which part of it is simply “gross negligence”?

Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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Promising a guaranteed 15% return is fraud. There is no place in reality where you can * guarantee * that kind of return.

For the sake of being a pedant, your statement is incorrect: the U.S. federal fund rate was 15% in 1981, making CDs and T-bills yield 15% APY for the products bought that year. So that kind of return has a place in reality. Granted, those were different times, different economic climate and exceptional fed actions. What you probably mean is that promising anything that exceeds SOFR + say 2 percentage points has a ris…

I remember back the 80s when my regular savings account paid 6%.

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Given you could get ~20% on anchor, why would you invest in something with lower return with no a priori reason to believe the returns are safer?

If a 20% better ponzi is better than a 15% one, again, I ask, why not a 1,500% one? There's new shitcoins born every day, promising these kinds of returns.

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Sadly the term is poisoned now and we won't be able to use it for anything new in the near future.

Well, we can always use the USB approach to naming. Lets just call the next thing web3 type II superspeed or sth.

Web3 2x2 Gen 2.1.

Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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I didn't invest because it was only 15% gains. Sad, but true. I actually read them their material & saw it was based on Anchor Protocol. When I saw that it was based on UST, and I couldn't figure how UST was backed by anything I understood, I opted out. One of the few times in crypto where I felt "do you won research" paid off for me.

> I didn't invest because it was only 15% gains I'm confused. Were you looking for a cryptocoin that was promising 1,500% gains? Anyone promising a safe 15% return in a world where your savings account earns 0.15% interest is trying to rob you.

Anchor protocol is/was paying around 20%. That was my benchmark. When I saw these guys were paying 15% and looked like a bank on the surface, was initially more interested because they looked established. Then I read up on it and changed my mind. Essentially it’s just anchor protocol with a fancy abstraction layer.

Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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From their website, is this really a sufficient disclaimer? > Stablegains is not a bank and the assets stored in your Stablegains account are not insured by any private or governmental insurance plan (FDIC or SIPC), nor are they covered by any compensation scheme (including FSCS). There is a range of safeguards in place to help secure your deposits, however holding and depositing stablecoins with Stablegains and thir…

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Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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The last few weeks (months, really) has highlighted an incredible lack of discernment in the VC-verse wrt the thing we call web3. Now. I have no experience doing what YC does and don’t claim to, but the jig here was so transparent that the smallest drop of “street smart” should’ve been enough to set off some alarms. We’re approaching a point where being passed over for “culture fit” is a compliment. Hopefully the emb…

The problem with web3 and crypto in general is that most people and energy get attracted by the potential to get rich, and being useful is an afterthought. I would be more attracted if I saw more products that tried to be useful first, and then try to make money for it afterwards. But it's harder to direct so much energy into projects like that.

Re: YC W22 Stablegains is being sued for losing $42M in funds from 4878 customers

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I think this is something like AI -- where people who are calling it "AI" are often sales people/hucksters (I mean this as little a pejorative sense as possible), and the people calling it "ML" are the practitioners/people you should be listening to. Once a phrase gains mainstream adoption and starts to rapidly lose meaning, I find that people who care dearly about that thing start calling it something else. That sai…

As someone who went heavy into crypto/web3, it does pain me to admit that there really are no use cases besides making money. Which isn’t a bad use case by itself, but after using practically hundreds of protocols and projects, there’s not a single one I’d use if there was no prospect of making money off of it. My dApp usage has cooled off almost completely. And all data shows that this is true for most others as wel…

> no use cases besides making money

And by "making money", we really mean transferring money from gullible and/or desperate fools to unscrupulous insiders.

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