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Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

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Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

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Post by firstcommentyo »

puszczyk wrote: post #237
PyWoody wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Post by henearkr »

sandos wrote: post #247
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #241

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I still don't get what it adds over a unique QR code.

A QR code is easy to copy? Im guessing this isn't.

Lol why would it be more difficult with blockchain?

If it is a chip, then maybe. Even more if the chip was like a yubikey with challenge-response (but it isn't).

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

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Post by syats »

Could someone please explain to me how this is going to prevent "fraud"?

Is every buyer of a whole wheel of cheese expected to have a reader for these tags?

I feel sorry for the poor bastard who bought into the buzzword soup of the providers and decided to go on with this project :(

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Post by iostream24 »

perihelions wrote: post #2

I found technical details about the device: https://www.isenet.it/product/pharmaseq-products/ It's tiny (500 microns), passive, photocell-powered (you point a laser at it), and encapsulated in an inert SiO2 coating.

Is it digestible, or rather passable in stools with no harm entailed?

My favorite part of Parmesan is the rind

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Post by bencollier49 »

More microplastics - it's all a bit depressing, to be honest.

"p-Chip micro-transponders can tolerate extreme temperatures (-200°C to 500°C); withstand microwave irradiation; ride out high g-forces (15,000 g); and hold up against solvents and reagents."

Nice and biodegradable then.

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

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Post by whiw »

Presumably the grocer or end user will end up with a pile of rind containing the embedded tagging chips. Fraudsters could simply gather/buy the waste rind plus trackers to embed them in their own fake products. Unless there is a robust disposal process (sending them back to the cheese producer), the genuine trackers will just end up 'authenticating' fake products.

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Post by camillomiller »

whiw wrote: post #258

Presumably the grocer or end user will end up with a pile of rind containing the embedded tagging chips. Fraudsters could simply gather/buy the waste rind plus trackers to embed them in their own fake products. Unless there is a robust disposal process (sending them back to the cheese producer), the genuine trackers will just end up 'authenticating' fake products.

You might have missed from the article that these are non fungible chips, tied to an ad-hoc blockchain.

What brings you to think that in 2 minutes, just by reading an article (if you’ve actually read it and not just lazily skimmed it) you’ve been able to find the single point of failure of a technology that an entire engineering company has been developing for years?

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

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Post by camillomiller »

iostream24 wrote: post #255
perihelions wrote: post #2

I found technical details about the device: https://www.isenet.it/product/pharmaseq-products/ It's tiny (500 microns), passive, photocell-powered (you point a laser at it), and encapsulated in an inert SiO2 coating.

Is it digestible, or rather passable in stools with no harm entailed? My favorite part of Parmesan is the rind

You, sir, are a monster. Best Regards, Italy
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