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"Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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Re: "Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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Well, patent trolls cause companies to spend more money on legal efforts than on innovating so I agree. insert rant about how broken the patent system is here

Broken? It's been broken for about 300 years! You can count James Watt as an example of using lawyers to sue people rather than spend time more innovating.

Re: "Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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The second paragraph is a direct quote from wikipedia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tim_O%27Reilly&#38...

The quote in question:

>Tim has been active in this space and in 2001, O’Reilly was involved in a dispute with Amazon.com, leading a protest against Amazon’s one-click patent and, specifically, Amazon’s assertion of that patent against rival barnesandnoble.com. The protest ended with O’Reilly and Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos visiting Washington D.C. to lobby for patent reform.

Re: "Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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My biggest problem with patent-overload isn't Apple v. Google v. Amazon, and lost innovation, it's Big Company v. Samll Company (particularly the physical engineering kind), with large legal departments versus smaller ones. E.g. "please top infringing on our bs ethernet connector patent"

Re: "Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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The second paragraph is a direct quote from wikipedia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tim_O%27Reilly&#38... The quote in question: >Tim has been active in this space and in 2001, O’Reilly was involved in a dispute with Amazon.com, leading a protest against Amazon’s one-click patent and, specifically, Amazon’s assertion of that patent against rival barnesandnoble.com. The protest ended with O’Reilly an…

Kind of ironic.

And it's not like copyright trolls are limited to Silicon Valley. It's coming from content "creators" like the blog linked. If the quote that was stolen was originally from the AP the blog would have to pay $40. (See: http://mashable.com/2009/08/02/associated-press/)

Re: "Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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The second paragraph is a direct quote from wikipedia. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tim_O%27Reilly&#38... The quote in question: >Tim has been active in this space and in 2001, O’Reilly was involved in a dispute with Amazon.com, leading a protest against Amazon’s one-click patent and, specifically, Amazon’s assertion of that patent against rival barnesandnoble.com. The protest ended with O’Reilly an…

Kind of ironic. And it's not like copyright trolls are limited to Silicon Valley. It's coming from content "creators" like the blog linked. If the quote that was stolen was originally from the AP the blog would have to pay $40. (See: http://mashable.com/2009/08/02/associated-press/ )

Copyright trolls are almost wholly absent from Silicon Valley. They tend to be in Hollywood. Patents and copyrights are totally different things.

Re: "Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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My problem with patent-overload is that it's turned into a protection scheme. Big company approaches me and my little company and says,

"We think we have some patent issues".

And I say, "Really? Unlikely, we wrote everything from scratch."

And they reply, "How much money did you make last year?"

And I ask, "What's the got to do with anything?"

And they say, "do you know how much it will cost you to defend against our claims? So you can license for this sum now or pay 100 times that to your lawyers."

Guess what I do?

It's the same with patent trolls. Although they usually wait until you have a product to go after.

Re: "Patent trolls could be the end of Silicon Valley" says Tim O'Reilly

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It used to be "No matter how bright you are, you have to be the one who have. You have to be the establishment. (because they're the only one who's got the dough.)"

Now it's "No matter how good your product is, you have to be the megacorp to abstract away the patent problem."

We're getting there, we're on the right track, but it's no way sufficing.

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