Live data from Hacker News

Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

foodandwine.com

191–200 of 317 posts

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's common for plant farmers in smaller countries too. I interviewed at a company that wanted to help banks lend to tiny farmers who have to borrow against future harvests to afford fertilizer / seed / equipment maintenance for the season ahead. Since many of these small farmers are geographically and technologically a long way off from where the banks are at, they don't get great rates because the banks (currently)…

This is how debt peons are made, historically. Kinda sad to see the same patterns in the modern world.

Isn’t this the classic use case for debt? Upfront funding to fund an investment?

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#193

OT, but I just have to say, as someone who buys "Parmesan" cheese that typically hails from Wisconsin, there is just no comparison with legit Parmigiano-Reggiano. It's the same with "Gruyere" and Gruyère -- a wholly unique cheese with a depth of flavor and character that is just inimitable, no matter how good or faithful the imitation may be. That being said, I'm not ashamed at all to say that the Parmesan I use most…

It's somewhat sad that in the US there is no enforcement (probably entirely deliberately as a protectionary measure) of food marks. In the EU, "Parmesan" cheese must be legit Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese. [1] I'd presume that Grueyere also has the same protections of origin (despite being Swiss and not actually in the EU). It's the same for a whole plethora of local products [2] and thus consumers know a) what they're…

> In the EU, "Parmesan" cheese must be legit Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese.

Yep, but it's also relatively cheap if you live anywhere near italy... In slovenia, you can get it even for 12-15eur/kg in some italian discount stores (think aldi, but italian), eg: http://vsikatalogi.si/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Eurospin_ak... (i know it's from 2016, it's just an example).

Getting stuff that you see in american youtube videos is a bit harder here... even "american cheese" (the artifical processed one) is impossible to find.

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can get good canned tomatoes (I like the Flora brand San Marzano D.O.P, about $5.50 for a 28oz can), this is a great 20 minute recipe that will usually beat any pre-made sauce: https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1015987-classic-marinara...

Canned tomatoes? Yikes. If you’re trying to beat premise sauces at least get some local fresh tomatoes and have a go and making it from scratch. The acidic flavour of canned tomatoes is horrible in my opinion compared to fresh tomatoes.

"whole is better than ground" is a general rule in the food industry

canned whole tomatoes > tomato sauce

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's common for plant farmers in smaller countries too. I interviewed at a company that wanted to help banks lend to tiny farmers who have to borrow against future harvests to afford fertilizer / seed / equipment maintenance for the season ahead. Since many of these small farmers are geographically and technologically a long way off from where the banks are at, they don't get great rates because the banks (currently)…

This is how debt peons are made, historically. Kinda sad to see the same patterns in the modern world.

Getting a bad rate doesn't mean you also accept it.

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#196

I found technical details about the device: https://www.isenet.it/product/pharmaseq-products/ It's tiny (500 microns), passive, photocell-powered (you point a laser at it), and encapsulated in an inert SiO2 coating.

So if I'm the sort of person who eats my cheese rinds, I don't really have anything to worry about here.

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#197

OT, but I just have to say, as someone who buys "Parmesan" cheese that typically hails from Wisconsin, there is just no comparison with legit Parmigiano-Reggiano. It's the same with "Gruyere" and Gruyère -- a wholly unique cheese with a depth of flavor and character that is just inimitable, no matter how good or faithful the imitation may be. That being said, I'm not ashamed at all to say that the Parmesan I use most…

The weird thing is, I don't see that much of a price difference between high-end "domestic" parmesan cheeses and the proper Parmigiano-Reggiano. The Saravecchio Parmesan (that's the Wisconsin domestic you're referring to, I assume) is about $17.99/lb, and the real, imported stuff is about $20/lb--even cheaper at places like Costco. So why not just get the real thing?

The big difference in cost is in the number of months of aging. Cheap Parmigiano-Reggiano might be 20-24 months old. It gets much better tasting, and more expensive, at 36 months, and better still (and more costly) at 40 months. We'd buy Parmigiano-Reggiano at Iper La Grande, a massive grocery store (imagine if a Wegmans and a Target merged) in northern Italy; there 40 month old would be about twice the price as 24 month old.

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#198
post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fresh tomatoes are Usally pretty bland 11 months of the year. So canned is the way to go because they are ripe when canned and retain most of the flavors

You seem to mean off-season where you're saying fresh.

when they're off season, is the flavor still better? no use using something that tastes worse and consoling yourself that it would have been tasty had it been a different month

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#199
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I miss about my old place in the city was the ridiculously expensive market on my block that carried all of the "real" cheese. The real stuff was so fantastic and flavorful that I usually used far less of it, which partially offset the cost. I also got a $20 jar of pasta sauce there once. I was embarrassed at how much I paid and didn't tell my wife. After her first taste, her reaction was "OMG, what is this…

If you can get good canned tomatoes (I like the Flora brand San Marzano D.O.P, about $5.50 for a 28oz can), this is a great 20 minute recipe that will usually beat any pre-made sauce: https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1015987-classic-marinara...

Or as a compromise between time and taste, add crushed/chopped tomatoes to a bottled sauce.

Re: Parmigiano Reggiano makers embedding tiny trackers in rind to fight cheese fraud

#200
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can borrow against most assets you own. Margin in your stock account, a mortgage or HELOC, etc. Credit cards are essentially based on your ability to repay much like borrowing against your future cheese revenue.

Modern finance and accounting more-or-less started in Renaissance Italy. Double-entry bookkeeping meant merchants and bankers kept good books. Good books and good accounting made negotiable instruments like bills of exchange (e.g. checks) and letters of credit reliable--at least when drawn on or issued by Italian banks and their partners around the continent--which meant travelers and traders didn't need to carry alo…

Sounds interesting. I never would have assumed double-entry bookkeeping went back that far. Any good book suggestions?
Post reply on HN