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Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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> Disagree. You still get a ton from a low res image of a person vs a static image. Like what? Having worked from home since the time when (affordable) connections were too slow for anything but text, it's questionable if audio even brings any value. I never watch any video streams that may be present on calls. They are, while a fun novelty, useless. > Why would my coworkers need to see the individual pores on my nos…

Body language, facial expressions, tone of voice (annoyed, happy, etc), massive speed increase in communication. Please don't take it the wrong way, but it's extremely strange you don't see any of this. If I may ask, what do you do for work now? What kind of communication do you need with people where text is as fast as face to face? Have you ever worked in a physical office before? Do you have any issues when it com…

> If I may ask, what do you do for work now?

Without trying to sound glib, it's a long list. I have a number of different jobs across multiple industries. However, director of a beverage company along with working with a software development team are where my calls take place most often.

> What kind of communication do you need with people where text is as fast as face to face?

In particular, software-related technical matters are painful to communicate by voice. Because of that, everyone wants to share their screen to reintroduce text, so any video that is being recorded gets pushed to the side anyway. This where text wins hands down, if you know how to communicate.

Indeed, it has become apparent in the last couple of years, with everyone moving home, that most software developers have no idea how to communicate. Calls have become a crutch to try and fumble their way through it. When you have to repeat yourself over and over again to get your point across, voice bandwidth starts to gain an edge. However, my experience in working with effective communicators in an age when text was the only practical option (long distance charges would have killed you!), it's clear that text is far more efficient when utilized well.

> Have you ever worked in a physical office before?

I have, even in software, a long, long time ago. Some of my jobs also still take me to physical locations. Software has been WFH for most of my software career, though.

> Do you have any issues when it comes to socializing with people IRL?

I guess that's for the receiving end to decide, but in terms of socialization IRL is my preferred mode. Work communication isn't really socialization, though. It's knowledge transfer. And that's where text shines. Not only in its ability to communicate ideas but also the natural maintenance of record.

> Please don't take it the wrong way, but it's extremely strange you don't see any of this.

Frankly, as mentioned, shared screens dominate the vast majority of calls I'm on given the ineffectiveness of voice. Even if I thought there was theoretical value in the video, it would be difficult to give attention to it. I don't find it strange that an animated postage stamp off to the side provides no value at all. What is to be gained from it? You can't see much without taking from the focus.

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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Protip: if your goal is to use your smartphone as a webcam, check out this: https://vdo.ninja Written by some guy named Steve, it’s an incredible piece of web software that uses WebRTC to stream phone audio and video as an OBS input. OBS then features a virtual webcam capability to take that stream and make it a webcam. I can then also use OBS to do whatever processing I want, e.g. making my webcam also contain a scr…

Why not just join the meeting from your smartphone? ie zoom/teams? What am I missing here?

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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I found my phone's camera together with DroidCam[0] to be good enough for my conferencing needs. [0] https://www.dev47apps.com/

Only thing I find annoying about Droidcam is that I end up having to reinstall the audio and video drivers on Linux every week or so, either due to updates, restarts, or PulseAudio breaking.

In case it's the official Linux client that's giving you headaches, you could also have a look here: https://github.com/Kyuunex/better_droidcam_linux_client/blob...

Just use `adb`, `ffmpeg` and the `v4l2loopback` kernel module.

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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If I understand that correctly, it's a mount to allow you to use a normal camera lens? That are a specific screw-thread type? Similar to how you can get mounts for phones to improve the shot options?

Yes, but unlike screw-on cameras, the process here takes out the original lens, so you expose the bare sensor to whatever glass you will add later on. C/CS/D mount are screw-on, they are also completely manual, so you lose software control over focus and other things, and you need to rotate rings in the lens itself to adjust.

Oh ok, that's interesting! Probably a step to far for me, but I love the concept

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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I actually think it’s an ideal device even for more recent computers, because it reduces latency to a minimum!

In case you're in the market for one, I just checked ebay again and there are quite a few of it for ~$75.

Awesome, thanks for the tip! I ordered one, looking forward to testing it.

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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Agreed. However one thing I have noticed is mic quality matters... up to a point. I'm not even talking mic booms and super expensive setups, the difference between some omnidirectional mic on the bottom of a laptop or the side of one of those bluetooth headphones and pretty much any headset with a mic pointed at your actual face is night and day. It doesn't need to be expensive, but it does need to be within reasonab…

I find the macbook pro onboard mic to be superior to every headphone mic and every group room mic I have tested and I have tested many. If you have one and you are using headpones made for music do everyone a favor and set your defaults so that it always uses the mac's mic. With many Bluetooth heaphones you also get vastly better sound quality in your ears if the mic is not in use.

I agree when compared to BT mics. They suck, in general. But compared to a decent (~50€) wired headset, they lose, hands down. You can also find really decent mics in second-hand stores. I got a 900€ mic for 20€ and just had to replace a few components.

Also, there’s nothing more annoying than hearing birds chirping when you’re trying to have a meeting with the volume turned all the way up to hear you talking. Buy a freakin headset.

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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In case you're in the market for one, I just checked ebay again and there are quite a few of it for ~$75.

Awesome, thanks for the tip! I ordered one, looking forward to testing it.

Nice, hope you'll like it!

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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Doesn't apply since you are not recording.

Some cameras still turn off the video mode, it has been patched out in some nikon and Canon models as it's just a firmware limitation stemming from the same tax reason.

This is usually some screen timeout.

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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He was probably using software, like Canon's Webcam Utility, to stream his camera's HDMI OUT to his computer instead of using a capture card. He likely did this because of his camera not having "clean" HDMI output (i.e. you'd see icons if he were to capture what was on his camera's screen). Software like this is extremely unreliable by comparison and consumes CPU cycles like crazy, both on the camera and on your comp…

> He was probably using software, like Canon's Webcam Utility, to stream his camera's HDMI OUT to his computer instead of using a capture card. No, he was using an HDMI capture card and trying to do things with OBS. > Startup takes me, like, 30 seconds: turn key and fill lights on, turn camera on, press hotkey to start OBS, Krisp and Zoom, turn on video. Which is all great and fine if you've got it perfected and you'…

Oh, well that's totally on them then. Agreed; if you're gonna go pro with your setup, you've gotta be able to stage quickly.

Re: Using a "proper" camera as a webcam

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> He was probably using software, like Canon's Webcam Utility, to stream his camera's HDMI OUT to his computer instead of using a capture card. No, he was using an HDMI capture card and trying to do things with OBS. > Startup takes me, like, 30 seconds: turn key and fill lights on, turn camera on, press hotkey to start OBS, Krisp and Zoom, turn on video. Which is all great and fine if you've got it perfected and you'…

If you don’t need a “pro” setup for the Zoom call, you don’t need video at all. Nobody cares to see your low resolution, grainy face.

finally, a super spicy take on HN. i disagree with it, but you're a brave one.
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