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Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by cxr »

kristopolous wrote: post #45
fareesh wrote: post #21

I now find myself using Photopea more than GIMP. Photopea is a browser-based photoshop clone. From what I understand it was built by just one guy, and it is in some ways better than GIMP. Pretty amazing work.

Gotta be real, Gimp's not that far off from just one guy ( https://github.com/GNOME/gimp/graphs/contributors ) We all assume there's a vast army of dedicated people behind these things. Most people do just a tiny bit and don't stick around. The reality is the core ranks are thin and the troops are exhausted. If you've got the time, they could use a hand (this is for all open source projects) They people behind them a…

GitHub's "Contributors" graphs are unreliable for working out who really works on a given repo. They (sneakily) only attempt to visualize the commits made by GitHub's own users. GitHub, however, is of course not the whole world. (Gimp itself does not even coordinate development through GitHub.) Commits not tied to a GitHub account are not represented.

Just another lame example of how GitHub both (a) insists upon itself and (b) prioritizes its social network over providing actually useful tooling for getting work done (including but not limited to trying to glean insights about a given project).

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by philjackson »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #87

I’ve come to the belief that the existence of GIMP is doing more harm than good. The software itself just isn’t anywhere near the feature parity it needs to be. The UI and workflows are just not there for what users are expecting. I can’t suggest someone learn it because it just isn’t going to serve them well in the end. But because it exists it means someone who would do it better has less incentive to do so. Not th…

> I’ve come to the belief that the existence of GIMP is doing more harm than good.

This just seems like such a poor take. Can you imagine being a gimp dev and reading this?

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by geocar »

oblio wrote: post #99
totalkrill wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very true. It should really be more understood, that open source developer are basically sharing their hobby and what they create with others on their terms, not their users.... Imagine someone building furniture in their free time because they enjoy doing so, and then offers to give it away for free. You see this offer and now have two polite options: 1) decline, because you do not like it 2) accept because…

The Open Source community does the opposite, that's the issue. Every time there's a push for commercial apps on desktop Linux, you have a bunch of rabblerousers throwing dirt at said devs. "They should make it Open Source! Micro$oft paid them off" You can see it in every Linux forum. At some point Linux distributions should just admit defeat for this kind of software, recognize that the Gimp and co. are just hobbyist…

> It's really a shame when true commercial quality Open Source software exists out there, such as Blender.

That might be because the Blender users banded together and bought Blender[1] (with the help of one of the authors IIRC)

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20021010045558/http://www.blende...

> At some point Linux distributions should just admit defeat for this kind of software, recognize that the Gimp and co. are just hobbyist software, and accept the real world and endorse commercial software for these use cases.

Aren't they already doing that? I think commercial software has been targeting Linux almost since it came on the scene, simply because it made eval easier. Ubuntu distributes lots of nonfree stuff. If you count the enterprise (and perhaps depending on how you count that), I think it's possible more commercial software runs on Linux than on any other operating system.

But I can certainly agree there just isn't very much good commercial Linux desktop software. Do you think it's possible perhaps too many Linux desktop users consider price to be the biggest reason they use Linux (or assume, reading comments like that online that most users anyway) and so there just isn't any money to be had?

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by boudin »

oblio wrote: post #92
boudin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is on the roadmap for Gimp 3.2 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/milestones/14#tab-issu... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/2468

Based on the milestone view, isn't Gimp 3.2 like 5 years into the future? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/milestones Gimp 3.0 is still at 23%.

Hard to say, it's a volunteer run project. It does mean that it's something that the current team want to do though.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by piaste »

dankwizard wrote: post #41
fareesh wrote: post #21

I now find myself using Photopea more than GIMP. Photopea is a browser-based photoshop clone. From what I understand it was built by just one guy, and it is in some ways better than GIMP. Pretty amazing work.

I'm always worried with browser based editors that they are sending home a copy of the image.

With Photopea, you can let the application load, then disconnect from the internet (or otherwise firewall the app) before loading your image.

I just gave it a try and I could load the image, edit it in various ways, and save it just fine. If there are any features that require being online, I didn't find them.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by MarcellusDrum »

kristopolous wrote: post #45
fareesh wrote: post #21

I now find myself using Photopea more than GIMP. Photopea is a browser-based photoshop clone. From what I understand it was built by just one guy, and it is in some ways better than GIMP. Pretty amazing work.

Gotta be real, Gimp's not that far off from just one guy ( https://github.com/GNOME/gimp/graphs/contributors ) We all assume there's a vast army of dedicated people behind these things. Most people do just a tiny bit and don't stick around. The reality is the core ranks are thin and the troops are exhausted. If you've got the time, they could use a hand (this is for all open source projects) They people behind them a…

Which is their own fault. They have more than a million dollars in bitcoin donations that haven't been touched in years (Its around 620k now since bitcoin is crashing). That could have easily funded 3 full-time developers for a decade to come.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by archerx »

cypress66 wrote: post #102
blenderdt wrote: post #73

I want to like Gimp but I just can't. It always gets in my way. If I create a selection, then copy and paste, why isn't the result a new layer? Why is it something floating? I don't get that. And why do all tool settings suddenly change when I start using my Wacom instead of my mouse? Of course there are probably good answers for the above but it is just not intuitive. It's a little sad because so much time and energ…

Blender UI used to be awful, but nowadays it's better than the competition IMO (especially Maya)

I see Blender as the GIMP of 3D, I've used many different 3D programs and blender just sucks all the fun out because I feel like I'm fighting with the UI instead of doing what I want to do. People keep saying the UI is better but every time I download the latest version it makes me appreciate 3DS max very much.

If I was to go back to making indie games or indie music videos I would rather pay autodesk $50 a month for a hobby/indie license than get grey hairs from using Blender. I would love to not give that money to autodesk and use blender instead but the UI pain threshold is still too high for me to bypass. I really hope progress continues and maybe in 5 years things will actually be better.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by davbryn1 »

oblio wrote: post #86
dash2 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I notice from reading these updates is that there's a focus on new features, but very little on UX improvements. Gimp seems like a very powerful tool, but a lot of its power is incredibly hard to discover. As a casual user, I am regularly stumped in doing things that should be simple. I wonder if they should have a specific project to improve the UX.

From the newer blog post linked in the comments ( https://www.gimp.org/news/2022/02/25/gimp-2-99-10-released/ ): > In the below example, I am storing a semantic name for several layers featuring sleeping marmots My guess? Gimp is a design tool made by developers with some graphic design inclinations. That's why it's weird. I don't think you'll ever hear > actual, professional designer say "semantic name".

This is the issue!

>. For the geekiest of us: by default, this uses simple text search, but in Preferences, tab “Interface”, you can also set the search entry to use the Glob or Regular Expression syntaxes!

You don't find this kind of language in Photoshop documentation

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by nazgulsenpai »

jericbas wrote: post #117

I used GIMP last month and I don't the UI. i hope they improve it

I first used GIMP approx. 20 years ago and on/off ever since then and aside from a few minor differences (combining all windows into one interface for one example), it hasn't changed much at all. I wouldn't hold my breath :)
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