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Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

Beldin wrote: post #33
TooCreative wrote: post #16

And again no non-destructive adjustment layers, the saga continues! When I talk to designers about Gimp they say "Uh, I tried it once years ago. But back then it was so archaic that you could not even change the contrast settings after you did something else to the image". Little do they know. It is still that archaic. 12 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091318 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.c…

Gimp is open source. Don't get me wrong, I love users and am very grateful for feedback. But how they can continue to make noise over a feature for over a decade without learning to code and implement it themselves or, you know, just hire developers to do it for them is beyond me. As far as I can see, this is not wanting a feature, but "wanting" a feature.

Why would anyone want to help making the GIMP project better if this has been the attitude of the project?

Not entirely convinced the archaic base is even worth building off at this point.

I’d be more inspired in building the thing that would destroy GIMP and Photoshop than help make GIMP better.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by oblio »

boudin wrote: post #49
TooCreative wrote: post #16

And again no non-destructive adjustment layers, the saga continues! When I talk to designers about Gimp they say "Uh, I tried it once years ago. But back then it was so archaic that you could not even change the contrast settings after you did something else to the image". Little do they know. It is still that archaic. 12 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091318 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.c…

It is on the roadmap for Gimp 3.2 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/milestones/14#tab-issu... https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/2468

Based on the milestone view, isn't Gimp 3.2 like 5 years into the future?

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/milestones

Gimp 3.0 is still at 23%.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by mejutoco »

alophawen wrote: post #55
alimov wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that it’s Open source, so you could certainly verify if you wanted to.

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If this is the bar, disassembling the binary should work too for Photoshop or any other software.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

#94

Post by pabs3 »

httpsterio wrote: post #58
bisRepetita wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the website owner can change its source code at any time, and even serve differently JS for each user, puting the entire responsibility on the user shoulder to check the code behavior all the time. It's not as demanding with an open source app with distributed source code and versioning. So I don't understand the snark, and how it is helpful.

Same goes for open source builds, you have to either build it yourself or trust the supplied builds.

It is also possible to trust anyone who has verified the build is reproducible:

https://reproducible-builds.org/

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #12

imagine a world where blender/kdenlive/gimp/libreoffice are proper alternatives to commercial software and people use them just because they are not "web based" or subscription only or avoid linux users like the plague which adobe/autodesk/microsoft do with their products.

Blender already is but unlike GIMP and Libreoffice they have people with actual vision on the team. Not just people cloning 2 decade old software badly and complaining when users request features.

Every single junior who asks me what 3D software to learn I say Blender, I would have used to say C4D but Blender has improved so much. Never in a million years would I suggest GIMP or Libreoffice.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by oblio »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #89
michaelmrose wrote: post #44

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> But how this feature can be ignored after people have been begging for it for over a decade now is beyond me. Because begging for something which ordinarily is very expensive to be done for you for nothing is a meritless activity. An infinity of begging pays for not a single second of developer time. It is likewise useless to suggest people would use it for free if only a few more million dollars worth of developer…

If be interested to know what they thought was more important than adjustment layers to work on for a decade instead. Just developer time alone invested doesn’t have inherent value if it doesn’t make the end product better.

> If be interested to know what they thought was more important than adjustment layers to work on for a decade instead.

Having fun developing whatever stuff they wanted, would be my guess.

And if they're getting paid for this, probably doing a good job convincing whoever's paying them that that stuff is important :-)

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #63
quesomaster9000 wrote: post #18

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Having used Photoshop almost daily between the 5 and CS3 days (after switching from PaintShop Pro) I still find GIMP an absolute pain to use aside from fairly basic re-touching and adjustment or 'oh look generic word-art' despite repeatedly giving it second chances. The GIMP just doesn't manage to hit the productivity nexus for anything constructive. Simple things are annoying, complex things are infuriating, vector…

Do you want a vector graphics program or a bitmap graphics program? Can you name a scenario, where both must be in the same tool? Otherwise Gimp is not what you are looking for, if you want to do vector graphics stuff.

>Can you name a scenario, where both must be in the same tool?

Literally every modern graphics workflow.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by riidom »

mastazi wrote: post #24

Does anyone know about CMYK support? I remember years ago it was a planned feature, but recently I tried to gather info about it and could not find anything. Has the team decided to remove it from scope? Currently I know of Cyan[1] as an open source tool that I can use to prepare an asset for printing, happy to hear about any other good alternatives. [1] http://cyan.fxarena.net/

https://www.scribus.net - a DTP software, does printing well (this includes CMYK support). While it doesnt let you fix color conversion issues (since it's not a graphic editor, rather think of InDesign), it displays warnings when you are outside boundaries.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by oblio »

totalkrill wrote: post #72
geocar wrote: post #40

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You should feel guilty! You sounded extremely entitled there. How do you feel when someone asks you -- goads you really, into working for "exposure" instead of your usual rates? It's more than a little insulting! If you want Free Software to be different, change it. If you don't know how now, like with anything else, you can learn how, or you can pay someone who has already spent the time to learn. The gimp project h…

This is very true. It should really be more understood, that open source developer are basically sharing their hobby and what they create with others on their terms, not their users.... Imagine someone building furniture in their free time because they enjoy doing so, and then offers to give it away for free. You see this offer and now have two polite options: 1) decline, because you do not like it 2) accept because…

The Open Source community does the opposite, that's the issue.

Every time there's a push for commercial apps on desktop Linux, you have a bunch of rabblerousers throwing dirt at said devs. "They should make it Open Source! Micro$oft paid them off"

You can see it in every Linux forum.

At some point Linux distributions should just admit defeat for this kind of software, recognize that the Gimp and co. are just hobbyist software, and accept the real world and endorse commercial software for these use cases.

Instead every time this kind of discussion happens, someone compares a kiddie toy truck (Gimp) to a 10 ton semi (Photoshop).

It's really a shame when true commercial quality Open Source software exists out there, such as Blender.

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