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Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by trinovantes »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #63
quesomaster9000 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having used Photoshop almost daily between the 5 and CS3 days (after switching from PaintShop Pro) I still find GIMP an absolute pain to use aside from fairly basic re-touching and adjustment or 'oh look generic word-art' despite repeatedly giving it second chances. The GIMP just doesn't manage to hit the productivity nexus for anything constructive. Simple things are annoying, complex things are infuriating, vector…

Do you want a vector graphics program or a bitmap graphics program? Can you name a scenario, where both must be in the same tool? Otherwise Gimp is not what you are looking for, if you want to do vector graphics stuff.

What if you just want to create art by mixing vector/bitmap elements? It sucks to not be able to create something because your tools restrict you from doing so.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by totalkrill »

geocar wrote: post #40
TooCreative wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that it feels a bit harsh. I feel a bit guilty. But "silent mouths don't get fed". And I think I am speaking for a large number of users. And it's been over ten years now. So the voice of users might become a bit louder? I dunno. I read through all the features in the announcement and think "I don't need any of that. Who asked for all these things? Are they really user driven?".

You should feel guilty! You sounded extremely entitled there. How do you feel when someone asks you -- goads you really, into working for "exposure" instead of your usual rates? It's more than a little insulting! If you want Free Software to be different, change it. If you don't know how now, like with anything else, you can learn how, or you can pay someone who has already spent the time to learn. The gimp project h…

This is very true. It should really be more understood, that open source developer are basically sharing their hobby and what they create with others on their terms, not their users....

Imagine someone building furniture in their free time because they enjoy doing so, and then offers to give it away for free. You see this offer and now have two polite options:

1) decline, because you do not like it

2) accept because you do like it

I have never understood the people who take the third option:

3) complain that the furniture is not to their liking, and then demand that the person builds it to his/hers specification and then give it to them. Free of charge, because that was the original offer right?

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by blenderdt »

I want to like Gimp but I just can't. It always gets in my way.

If I create a selection, then copy and paste, why isn't the result a new layer? Why is it something floating? I don't get that.

And why do all tool settings suddenly change when I start using my Wacom instead of my mouse?

Of course there are probably good answers for the above but it is just not intuitive.

It's a little sad because so much time and energy is put into Gimp. But every time I use it I start looking for alternatives. Krita for example.

I have been a Blender user for over 15 years. While the UI had a learning curve it always made sense to me. With Gimp this is not the case. I sometimes wonder if the people who built it also use it.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by Hallucinaut »

httpsterio wrote: post #58
bisRepetita wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the website owner can change its source code at any time, and even serve differently JS for each user, puting the entire responsibility on the user shoulder to check the code behavior all the time. It's not as demanding with an open source app with distributed source code and versioning. So I don't understand the snark, and how it is helpful.

Same goes for open source builds, you have to either build it yourself or trust the supplied builds.

Those aren't really the only two options though, are they? If you don't trust software you can run it air-gapped or in an internet-free sandbox.

Moreover good luck trying to verify that everything a website does on the server side is unchanged compared to a binary that's been built locally once.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by bambax »

fareesh wrote: post #21

I now find myself using Photopea more than GIMP. Photopea is a browser-based photoshop clone. From what I understand it was built by just one guy, and it is in some ways better than GIMP. Pretty amazing work.

Affinity is also great. (I never got Gimp at all.)

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by shantnutiwari »

blenderdt wrote: post #73

I want to like Gimp but I just can't. It always gets in my way. If I create a selection, then copy and paste, why isn't the result a new layer? Why is it something floating? I don't get that. And why do all tool settings suddenly change when I start using my Wacom instead of my mouse? Of course there are probably good answers for the above but it is just not intuitive. It's a little sad because so much time and energ…

Agreed. I find Gimps UI not just bad, but actively user hostile. I bought Affinity Photo just so I wouldnt have to deal with Gimp-- something that took 7-8 steps in Gimp could be done in one.

Affinity tools are great-- unlike Adobe, they are a one time purchase, and really polished and easy to use.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by dash2 »

blenderdt wrote: post #73

I want to like Gimp but I just can't. It always gets in my way. If I create a selection, then copy and paste, why isn't the result a new layer? Why is it something floating? I don't get that. And why do all tool settings suddenly change when I start using my Wacom instead of my mouse? Of course there are probably good answers for the above but it is just not intuitive. It's a little sad because so much time and energ…

One thing I notice from reading these updates is that there's a focus on new features, but very little on UX improvements. Gimp seems like a very powerful tool, but a lot of its power is incredibly hard to discover. As a casual user, I am regularly stumped in doing things that should be simple. I wonder if they should have a specific project to improve the UX.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by malauxyeux »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #35
trinovantes wrote: post #3

I can't explain why but I keep getting the uncanny valley feeling whenever I try to use GIMP after years of Photoshop. Hopefully the improved device support will help

Sure, and every time I try emacs after years of vim it feels weird; don't be too quick to assume the software is the problem.

I love emacs and vim. I used GIMP nearly daily for over a year; it still feels weird.

The copy/paste flow in particular still trips me up.

Pasting creates a "floating layer". A "floating layer" usually needs to either be "anchored" (merged down into the layer below) or converted to a "new layer". In the meantime, for example:

* If the move tool is selected and the "floating layer" is clicked, the "floating layer" is draggable on that click. * If the move tool is selected and the canvas is clicked outside of the "floating layer", the "floating layer" is anchored and undraggable on that click. * If the unified transform tool is selected and the canvas is clicked anywhere, the transform frame is activated for the "floating layer" and it is rotatable on that click. * If the erase tool is selected and the canvas is clicked anywhere, nothing happens, except that the UI flashes. * If the paintbrush tool is selected and the "floating layer" is clicked anywhere, it "paints" – though pixels are only affected within the bounds of the "floating layer", as that's just how things work in GIMP.

I'm sure there are perfectly sane reasons that things ended up like this, but the result feels weird to me. I don't really want to have to think about "anchoring" a "floating layer" after pasting it, much less think about what the UI is capable/incapable of doing while there's a "floating layer".

I've since moved on to Krita. It feels far less weird.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Post by throwaddzuzxd »

shantnutiwari wrote: post #77
blenderdt wrote: post #73

I want to like Gimp but I just can't. It always gets in my way. If I create a selection, then copy and paste, why isn't the result a new layer? Why is it something floating? I don't get that. And why do all tool settings suddenly change when I start using my Wacom instead of my mouse? Of course there are probably good answers for the above but it is just not intuitive. It's a little sad because so much time and energ…

Agreed. I find Gimps UI not just bad, but actively user hostile. I bought Affinity Photo just so I wouldnt have to deal with Gimp-- something that took 7-8 steps in Gimp could be done in one. Affinity tools are great-- unlike Adobe, they are a one time purchase, and really polished and easy to use.

As a beginner I really want to like Affinity, I even bought Photo and Designer, but it's just so hard to find tutorials with the same UI! For every single tutorial I follow I'm like "ok click here, click here and... wtf where is this button? Why doesn't it work?". Even the window to create a new project doesn't look the same between my version and what's in the tutorial, some options don't even seem to exist anymore

The other day I was trying to apply a mask on a layer and in the tutorial they painted it with a black brush to hide some parts of the changes on the layer. I failed miserably because:

1. The toolbar has like 5 different tools with a brush icon, I had no idea which one to choose

2. I tried them all, and the result was always the same: I paint with the black paint, see the changes, release my click, and 1 second later the changes are cancelled for no apparent reason

I feel like having a global command palette would help keep tutorials relevant for a longer period of time, because if I don't find an icon I could just global search it by name...

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