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Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Are there any good alternatives to gimp in Ubuntu repository?

There's a java app on sourceforge called Pixelitor. It might be worth a try.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/pixelitor/

It didn't run here in OpenJDK due to class versions, maybe Oracle Java is best.

Good alternative or not depends on what your needs are though, good luck.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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And again no non-destructive adjustment layers, the saga continues! When I talk to designers about Gimp they say "Uh, I tried it once years ago. But back then it was so archaic that you could not even change the contrast settings after you did something else to the image". Little do they know. It is still that archaic. 12 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091318 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.c…

Gimp is open source. Don't get me wrong, I love users and am very grateful for feedback. But how they can continue to make noise over a feature for over a decade without learning to code and implement it themselves or, you know, just hire developers to do it for them is beyond me. As far as I can see, this is not wanting a feature, but "wanting" a feature.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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imagine a world where blender/kdenlive/gimp/libreoffice are proper alternatives to commercial software and people use them just because they are not "web based" or subscription only or avoid linux users like the plague which adobe/autodesk/microsoft do with their products.

They are proper alternatives though? Am I understanding that you think they aren't?

I've sent many an invoice for work done in those very apps...the city where I live (3D modeling illustrations for promoting a concert series, rendered at 12+ MP for print), a distributor of various different wine brands, and a grocery business are a few example clients.

That alone was a lot of work, hundreds of hours at least.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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I can't explain why but I keep getting the uncanny valley feeling whenever I try to use GIMP after years of Photoshop. Hopefully the improved device support will help

Sure, and every time I try emacs after years of vim it feels weird; don't be too quick to assume the software is the problem.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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And again no non-destructive adjustment layers, the saga continues! When I talk to designers about Gimp they say "Uh, I tried it once years ago. But back then it was so archaic that you could not even change the contrast settings after you did something else to the image". Little do they know. It is still that archaic. 12 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091318 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.c…

At work I'm on Creative Cloud with the latest M1 Max MBP. At I home I've switched to Manjaro after 17 years of macOS use.

I just started looking into Krita for bitmap editing. It has adjustment layers (which I can't do without). Switching from Lightroom to darktable was quite dramatic, but I actually prefer darktable now. Took me two years of on and off fiddling to finally get to that point.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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post #33

And again no non-destructive adjustment layers, the saga continues! When I talk to designers about Gimp they say "Uh, I tried it once years ago. But back then it was so archaic that you could not even change the contrast settings after you did something else to the image". Little do they know. It is still that archaic. 12 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091318 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.c…

Gimp is open source. Don't get me wrong, I love users and am very grateful for feedback. But how they can continue to make noise over a feature for over a decade without learning to code and implement it themselves or, you know, just hire developers to do it for them is beyond me. As far as I can see, this is not wanting a feature, but "wanting" a feature.

These are users who have a very competitive alternative and have no incentive to whip up the fix themselves. Usually the way it goes is an open source advocate asks why a user doesn’t use gimp, and the user has reasons xyz, then the advocate makes noise on the user’s behalf. It’s not like the real users are pining for these features, they just go somewhere else.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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post #33

And again no non-destructive adjustment layers, the saga continues! When I talk to designers about Gimp they say "Uh, I tried it once years ago. But back then it was so archaic that you could not even change the contrast settings after you did something else to the image". Little do they know. It is still that archaic. 12 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091318 11 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.c…

Gimp is open source. Don't get me wrong, I love users and am very grateful for feedback. But how they can continue to make noise over a feature for over a decade without learning to code and implement it themselves or, you know, just hire developers to do it for them is beyond me. As far as I can see, this is not wanting a feature, but "wanting" a feature.

Eh, those wanting the feature pay for Photoshop instead. Most are probably not freeloaders moaning, but people with problems they want to solve now.

Re: Gimp 3 Beta Released

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why post this kind of thing on an announcement though...I mean it seems pretty harsh, if not rude. If you can't get traction and it's really objectively that big of an issue, a separate post seems more appropriate. I taught Photoshop at the college level prior to 2010, offered experienced PS students extra credit to try out and evaluate software like GIMP, and many of them thanked me for the experience and went on to…

I agree that it feels a bit harsh. I feel a bit guilty. But "silent mouths don't get fed". And I think I am speaking for a large number of users. And it's been over ten years now. So the voice of users might become a bit louder? I dunno. I read through all the features in the announcement and think "I don't need any of that. Who asked for all these things? Are they really user driven?".

You should feel guilty! You sounded extremely entitled there. How do you feel when someone asks you -- goads you really, into working for "exposure" instead of your usual rates? It's more than a little insulting!

If you want Free Software to be different, change it. If you don't know how now, like with anything else, you can learn how, or you can pay someone who has already spent the time to learn. The gimp project has a page where you can easily reach out to developers working on Gimp and fund them directly. If you think this feature is important, you should reach out and find out how you can help make it happen.

Now I don't work on gimp, but I do make Free Software, and I think most of us who program Free Software aren't working for "exposure". We aren't excited to be "used" by "users", and so of course we do not do anything "user driven". We do stuff because we want to, and when we don't want to, we may want-to for money. Like everybody else.

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