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Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#191
>Text editing should work as you expect. This is a nice feature of Bike. Often outliner apps constrain text editing in various ways. Bike doesn't do that.

So, how do you add a "soft linebreak" - so that I get a line break in a single node (so that I can have e.g. 3 paragraphs on a node).

The things I've tried (enter, shift-enter, etc) all create a new node below - and the manual doesn't give any clue.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#192
post #52

Congratulations on the release! It’s cool to see more outliners with multi-item text selection. The “fluid” animations look really delightful — I’m jealous! I know you’ve shared some details about the animation implementation, but I’m curious about how much system stuff you take advantage of. Is your view accessible through VoiceOver? What parts of the Cocoa text system do you use (or, what do you use instead for lay…

Thanks! Bike's editor is pretty much: OutlinerLayer RowLayers LineFragmentLayers I use CoreText to line break and render into each LineFragmentLayer. A whole new level of performance is possible if I knew more metal/opengl, but right now rendering text on CPU and sending as line fragments to CoreAnimation. > Do you know of any other outliners with it besides Bike and Notion? It's hard to define "outliner". This has b…

I imagine then you would had to reimplement behaviour for text selection from scratch? Impressive stuff!

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#193

Workflowy and Logseq already provide these features. Am I missing something?

I honestly don't understand comments like this, you know it's ok to competition in this space?

For sure, I have nothing against competition. Usually though, there are some really unique product features which sometimes get lost in the marketing speak, so if there is a product that I am interested in, like this one, I like to verify that since I didn't quite get that from the product page.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#194

> Text editing should work as you expect. This is a nice feature of Bike. Often outliner apps constrain text editing in various ways. Bike doesn't do that. So, how do you add a "soft linebreak" - so that I get a line break in a single node (so that I can have e.g. 3 paragraphs on a node). The things I've tried (enter, shift-enter, etc) all create a new node below - and the manual doesn't give any clue.

Sorry, just not supported right now.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#195

I really like FoldingText that was also your development. Sadly, it's been discontinued. Looking forward to see if Bike feels as great as FoldingText.

FoldingText was an absolute work of art, best outliner I've ever used. It's one of those pieces of software I keep using, long after it has been discontinued, holding my breath with each OS release to see if this is the one that breaks it. That will literally be the only thing that keeps me from using it. I sincerely hope Bike adopts a lot of the same features!

Thanks I'm glad you liked it. Please note that I sold FoldingText to https://doubledogsoftware.com and it's still being worked on. I don't know full set of plans, but when I sold last summer (right before dedicating fully to Bike) the goal was to get the code into a modern state that would keep working for years to come.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! Bike's editor is pretty much: OutlinerLayer RowLayers LineFragmentLayers I use CoreText to line break and render into each LineFragmentLayer. A whole new level of performance is possible if I knew more metal/opengl, but right now rendering text on CPU and sending as line fragments to CoreAnimation. > Do you know of any other outliners with it besides Bike and Notion? It's hard to define "outliner". This has b…

I imagine then you would had to reimplement behaviour for text selection from scratch? Impressive stuff!

Yes, all the basic needed to be implemented. Impressive or dumb or maybe just persistent.

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#198
post #137

I'm a big fan of Workflowy [0] but I've been keeping an eye on a Bike-like outliner called Zavala [1] – written with Swift and already has an iOS app. [0] https://workflowy.com/ [1] https://zavala.vincode.io/

I've been using Workflowy for years now. I really love it.

They been working lots of interesting features in but stick to the basics that everything starts as a list. You would be surprised what is possible w/ just a list!

Re: Show HN: Bike – macOS Native Outliner

#199

Can someone combine this concept with a task management/todo app? That would be perfect.

That's the plan among other things. Get a license ;)

I use Taskpaper everyday, both for To-do:s and to take notes. I’ll gladly switch to Bike the day it can do most of the thing Taskpaper can do. I’ll eagerly follow the development of it.
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