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Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#11

Post by tsuraan »

mseebach wrote: post #3

This, and the app-store debacle, is the kind of stuff that makes me think that Apple isn't in it for the long haul. Why doesn't MacOSX ship with native GTK? And Qt? Why hasn't OpenOffice worked seamlessly from day 1? Or at least day 5? Why don't Apple embrace the huge community that worships their products, instead of becoming the next Microsoft? What have they got to loose? If getting my favourite Linux apps to run…

macports gives OSX a decent enough package management system; port install ocaml, port install erlang, what more could you ask for? I guess using system libraries would be a bonus, but it's really quite usable as-is.

Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#12

Post by nailer »

zain wrote: post #4
mseebach wrote: post #3

This, and the app-store debacle, is the kind of stuff that makes me think that Apple isn't in it for the long haul. Why doesn't MacOSX ship with native GTK? And Qt? Why hasn't OpenOffice worked seamlessly from day 1? Or at least day 5? Why don't Apple embrace the huge community that worships their products, instead of becoming the next Microsoft? What have they got to loose? If getting my favourite Linux apps to run…

Sounds like you REALLY wanted MacOSX to be Linux.

Most software developers want that - or, more specifically, all the benefits of Linux with mainstream hardware and application support. What's wrong with that?

Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#13

Post by nailer »

Zev wrote: post #5
mseebach wrote: post #3

This, and the app-store debacle, is the kind of stuff that makes me think that Apple isn't in it for the long haul. Why doesn't MacOSX ship with native GTK? And Qt? Why hasn't OpenOffice worked seamlessly from day 1? Or at least day 5? Why don't Apple embrace the huge community that worships their products, instead of becoming the next Microsoft? What have they got to loose? If getting my favourite Linux apps to run…

Because Mac OS X has Cocoa/Aqua for its UI instead of GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE. If you want GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE, use Linux. If you want Cocoa/Aqua, use Mac OS X. If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename" Oh, and last i checked, NeoOffice worked fine (And OpenOffice is finally getting around to finishing a native Mac…

> If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename"

We both know the amount of packages available in Fink pales in comparison to the average Linux distribution. To state otherwise is disingenuous.

Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#14

Post by nailer »

trezor wrote: post #8
mseebach wrote: post #3

This, and the app-store debacle, is the kind of stuff that makes me think that Apple isn't in it for the long haul. Why doesn't MacOSX ship with native GTK? And Qt? Why hasn't OpenOffice worked seamlessly from day 1? Or at least day 5? Why don't Apple embrace the huge community that worships their products, instead of becoming the next Microsoft? What have they got to loose? If getting my favourite Linux apps to run…

Uhm... So why did you get a Mac again? I don't even have a Mac, but if all I wanted to do was run Linux shit (and you clearly did), I'd pick up a cheap Dell laptop instead of overpriced Mac hardware.

Perhaps an initial understanding that OS X could do everything Linux could. Otherwise, an appreciation of Johnathan Ive's industrial design.

Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#16

Post by babo »

Zev wrote: post #5
mseebach wrote: post #3

This, and the app-store debacle, is the kind of stuff that makes me think that Apple isn't in it for the long haul. Why doesn't MacOSX ship with native GTK? And Qt? Why hasn't OpenOffice worked seamlessly from day 1? Or at least day 5? Why don't Apple embrace the huge community that worships their products, instead of becoming the next Microsoft? What have they got to loose? If getting my favourite Linux apps to run…

Because Mac OS X has Cocoa/Aqua for its UI instead of GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE. If you want GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE, use Linux. If you want Cocoa/Aqua, use Mac OS X. If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename" Oh, and last i checked, NeoOffice worked fine (And OpenOffice is finally getting around to finishing a native Mac…

These package managers are a far cry from a decent Linux, dependencies are handled poorly, installing an innocent looking library sometimes takes hours. If you do a search you will find a lot of painful stories or long pages with tons of magic to install a simple piece of code. Duh.

Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#18

Post by wmf »

nailer wrote: post #12
zain wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you REALLY wanted MacOSX to be Linux.

Most software developers want that - or, more specifically, all the benefits of Linux with mainstream hardware and application support. What's wrong with that?

Is GTK really a benefit compared to Cocoa?

Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#19

Post by dzorz »

nailer wrote: post #13
Zev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Mac OS X has Cocoa/Aqua for its UI instead of GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE. If you want GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE, use Linux. If you want Cocoa/Aqua, use Mac OS X. If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename" Oh, and last i checked, NeoOffice worked fine (And OpenOffice is finally getting around to finishing a native Mac…

> If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename" We both know the amount of packages available in Fink pales in comparison to the average Linux distribution. To state otherwise is disingenuous.

I wouldn't say it pales. OK, this is kind of like comparing apples and oranges, but still:

Leopard:

    port list | wc -l
    5038
Tiger:

    fink list | wc -l
    8111
Ubuntu 8.04:

    apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l
    33720
So the number of packages is 5-6x smaller, but most common/useful packages are present. Also you should take into account that many packages present in ubuntu don't mean anything in OS X. And for example there are for example tons of python packages in Ubuntu, all/most of which can be easily installed through easy_install :-)

Let's compare how up to date the packages are:

    port info cmake
    cmake 2.6.1, devel/cmake (Variants: universal)
    ...

    apt-cache show cmake
    ...
    Version: 2.4.7-1build1
    ...
So based on sample of 1 package we can see that MacPorts is more up to date than Ubuntu. Joking aside, cmake really matters to me...

Re: GTK+ on OSX is finally available

#20

Post by dzorz »

babo wrote: post #16
Zev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Mac OS X has Cocoa/Aqua for its UI instead of GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE. If you want GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE, use Linux. If you want Cocoa/Aqua, use Mac OS X. If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename" Oh, and last i checked, NeoOffice worked fine (And OpenOffice is finally getting around to finishing a native Mac…

These package managers are a far cry from a decent Linux, dependencies are handled poorly, installing an innocent looking library sometimes takes hours. If you do a search you will find a lot of painful stories or long pages with tons of magic to install a simple piece of code. Duh.

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