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Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by thebeardisred »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

One thing to look at (which I'm very intrigued by) is https://graphite.rs

As a proof of concept about the possibility of a design tool with the potential to share information in this way it's intriguing.

I'll also add that a major pain point of FL/OSS tools for me is that so many of them HEAVILY depend on local file descriptors which makes remote storage access a PITA.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by WillAdams »

Gigachad wrote: post #195
ur-whale wrote: post #113

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> FOSS just has no answer for this market And thank god for that. Users literally hate the Adobe model, but aren't given a choice. Please remember what the 'F' in FOSS stands for. Hint: it's not about money.

Users are given a choice. There are mountains of alternatives to adobe products. But they keep paying for the adobe one because it’s the best. And it’s the best because people keep paying their monthly subscriptions to fund it. They might complain but at the end of the day they are very happy to pay adobe for the best in class tools.

The industry keeps paying because of the sunk costs of legacy files and content, and the fact that Adobe also makes RIPs for imagesetters so the expectation is that it will all be compatible and work together.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by prokoudine »

Gigachad wrote: post #10

Great to see the project moving along, but it's been a persistent feeling of mine that FOSS is starting to get left behind in the dust. The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market. Even a lot of the big name proprietary tools are finding themselves becoming rapidly obsolete in a world where people…

> The design space has been very rapidly moving towards online, live collaboration tools like Figma, Sketch, Adobe XD, etc and FOSS just has no answer for this market.

Oh, but it does: https://penpot.app/

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by prokoudine »

Gigachad wrote: post #86
BeetleB wrote: post #82

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Amusing you use Gimp as an example, as I've always found its (UI) critiques to be "Not Photoshop" critiques :-)

I have never used photoshop and I still feel unsatisfied with GIMP. I have a long list of thoughts but the simplest one was the fact that moving/rotating/scaling a layer is 3 different tools. I was told a long time ago that there was work to merge them, years later the change comes out and it just groups the tools under one icon so you now have to right click first to select the tool you want. It's pretty much broken…

> I have a long list of thoughts but the simplest one was the fact that moving/rotating/scaling a layer is 3 different tools.

You might find that fact to be on the ageing side :) Unified Transform tool has been available for many years now. It's all three (and more) tools in one.

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by prokoudine »

doctormon wrote: post #61
tadfisher wrote: post #40

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Sounds like there's a need for: 1. A generic CRDT library, preferably in C or something that exposes a C interface. This is probably very hard or even impossible, depending on how much must be abstracted and how much work the developer must do to express edits in terms of the CRDT. 2. A P2P backend for said library for streaming edits. 3. A networked data store, maybe as-a-service, for versioning and persistence. 2 a…

Did you know, Inkscape used to have live sharing of documents. It was removed because no one wanted to maintain it. It's not impossible to imagine it being added back in though. Maybe with updated technology.

Noone wanted to use it in the first place :)

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by prokoudine »

bowsamic wrote: post #116
musicale wrote: post #9

I want to like Inkscape, but the macOS version seems sluggish and buggy.

When I criticised this on twitter one of devs started replying and getting upset at me. He couldn’t understand that I don’t want to use a piece of software that runs at 5fps

I don't think that's how that conversation really went because Martin will be the first person to admit that Inkscape on macOS is problematic.

Case in point: https://twitter.com/realdoctormo/status/1514742125132455937

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by bowsamic »

prokoudine wrote: post #207
bowsamic wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I criticised this on twitter one of devs started replying and getting upset at me. He couldn’t understand that I don’t want to use a piece of software that runs at 5fps

I don't think that's how that conversation really went because Martin will be the first person to admit that Inkscape on macOS is problematic. Case in point: https://twitter.com/realdoctormo/status/1514742125132455937

He claimed to me that Mac is not a supported target of Inkscape, and then blocked me

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by efortis »

esrauch wrote: post #177
efortis wrote: post #35

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I rather have a toilet than saving two clicks. —- real-time collab is not exclusive to webapps.

Do you use source control or do you email zips with the source files between you and the other developers? The collaboration here is exactly the same as that distinction in workflows. It's obviously not just "two clicks", it's "Text copy 2 final final alt reviewed.doc" and then you get a new person email their suggested updates to you as "Text copy 2 final 2.doc" and you have to somehow merge those suggestions in wit…

> you'd need to conceptually understand what edits were made

    Same effort as reviewing the file history
> and then make them again manually to the "head" version

    Copy + Paste

Re: Inkscape 1.2 released

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Post by randomsearch »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #159
randomsearch wrote: post #151

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Lots of points, but the most obvious one is with SaaS you can deploy a single version of software, which makes it orders off magnitude less difficult to maintain.

I don't understand that argument. I sometimes use Inkscape but I never have more than a single version deployed on my device. Also, I don't think I'm putting any pressure on the maintainers if I were to insist on never updating from an older version. Snarkiness aside, being able to "deploy a single version of software" is itself incompatible with the ability to self-host, making it a moot point for FOSS (let alone fo…

> but I never have more than a single version deployed on my device

Sure, but another user might have another version installed. That might be because their package manager is behind the latest release, for example.

Self-hosting means it's still FOSS and you don't need them if you really want to have your own install.

SaaS deployment means it's easier to maintain for the majority who don't care.

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