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Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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post #118

If I can buy a high quality digital file without DRM, built in ads, and other extra garbage, at a reasonable price, I happily pay for it. If I can't, I download it elsewhere. Music industry figured this out decades ago, I'm not sure why other media hasn't. I used to be mostly happy with streaming services, I still have most of the big ones, but selection and quality is very hit or miss, I sometimes go over a month wi…

> Music industry figured this out decades ago, I'm not sure why other media hasn't.

It's a learning process. Remember the "old times" were CDs had DRM? It took quite a while to get high quality digital files without DRM - talking about FLAC here.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

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What you’re describing is data hoarding. I pirate a ton too, but you know what I do with a movie or TV show after I’ve watched it? I delete it. Poof, gone. But it’s still in the most important dataset I have. My memory. To help with the metadata of my own memory, I write down a list of the films I’ve seen. I only keep the movies I really love and want to rewatch (Robocop). That TV show I just finished that was great…

I rewatch things all the time. If I’m doing side work at night and just want something on the background I’ll put on a movie or show that I’ve seen before.

Beyond that, hard drives are cheap! I have a single 18 TB disk in my main computer that runs Plex. It lets me and my kids watch content from anywhere with an Internet connection.

18 TB hard drives are about $300.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#133

Piracy and data-hoarding are two different hobbies. One cost next to nothing, the cost of the other one you are quite familiar with.. Jokes aside, would you consider deleting your entire collection and then also cancel subscriptions and possibly give away or sell any tech equipment you do not use for work? And then find something else to do with the newly-freed time? Can you do it for 6 or 12 months? If not, why not?…

While I appreciate the concern, I've got a fair bit of free time, and to be clear I'm not actually worried about the financial cost. I'm living well within my means. Tomorrow I'm going to build a chicken coop.

The setup I've got doesn't require very much active maintenance, aside from yelling at my father to tag things better. I'm sure I could just go to sketchy pirate streaming sites (putlocker and the like) if I was concerned about the money. The point of this isn't so much that I'm spending too much on this hobby, but that piracy really is a service problem.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#134

What you’re describing is data hoarding. I pirate a ton too, but you know what I do with a movie or TV show after I’ve watched it? I delete it. Poof, gone. But it’s still in the most important dataset I have. My memory. To help with the metadata of my own memory, I write down a list of the films I’ve seen. I only keep the movies I really love and want to rewatch (Robocop). That TV show I just finished that was great…

In what sense is data hoarding a problem? I’ve only ever heard the term used in jest, at least partially, and in particular not ever with the same severity that actual hoarding receives.

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Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#135
post #13

Why do you need 30TB? You can always download again if you need to watch again.

UK internet is kinda pants, you can stream 4k on netflix no issues but try streaming from a pirate site or service like popcorntime and you will be kicked back to standard definition and have a lot of buffering to deal with.

In the UK sites like the pirate bay get censored, there are mirrors but they too get censored. Once you find a site you can easily get US content like the US version of the office but the UK version of the office will be harder to find.

You can buy 30TB of spinning disk for ~£600 which is a fair chunk of money but for comparison my 100mbit internet costs £300 a year. To get all your content instantly in one place in hd with no buffering I would say its worth it.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying for things you don't have to pay for is a quick way to lose money, no matter how much you make.

But that excuse justifies much more than digital piracy. You don't "have to pay for" a car if you can steal one.

But imagine if you could ride a single lamborgini for free anywhere you want, or:

Pay $10,000 for a KIA that can only goto McDonalds and Burger King, then buy a $15,000 chevy that's the only car that works on the road to to work, then pay $5,000 for a ford that is the only vehicle that will take you to Burger King and the Apple store, but it stops every 5 minutes to show you the same ad repeated 3 times, and the only car that will take you to grandms's house is $30,000 and for some reason it requires 12 cars worth of parking spots. Taco Bell will only be accepting Mazdas starting in August, so you've got to decide what you want to do about that. Also there's no cars you can buy at any price that can go anywhere you want. Nobody sells the lamborgini you can drive anywhere for free.

Anyways, that's why pirating is good.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#137
post #78

OK but most of us probably get away with just the 1TB drive we might not have otherwise added to our current computer. I'm a life long pirate and honestly never knew about "indexer subscriptions" or that usenet was something you could pay for. Your fiscal problem is data hoarding, not piracy. Your commitment to making sure your favorite TV shows never disappear into the void of indefinitely buffering cloud rentals is…

It's not actually a problem, by any means. I live quite comfortably. The point I'm really trying to make here is that I would pay for things if it was convenient to do so. I'm already spending more money to do this myself, and if the industry was a bit better that money could be going to artists instead of hard drives.

I think the point being made by other people here still stands though. It's not piracy that costs you money. It's your desire to store/hoard huge amounts of data. Whether or not that's a problem is up to you, but if you deleted things after you watched them the costs would go down to nothing except 4the normal costs of running a computer.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#138

What you’re describing is data hoarding. I pirate a ton too, but you know what I do with a movie or TV show after I’ve watched it? I delete it. Poof, gone. But it’s still in the most important dataset I have. My memory. To help with the metadata of my own memory, I write down a list of the films I’ve seen. I only keep the movies I really love and want to rewatch (Robocop). That TV show I just finished that was great…

In what sense is data hoarding a problem? I’ve only ever heard the term used in jest, at least partially, and in particular not ever with the same severity that actual hoarding receives.

Well it's costing this guy $45 a month apparently.

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#139
I've quit pirating content a decade ago - combination of time, safety, priorities, and availability of legit content.

I've considered getting back into it occasionally.

Why: Convenience and access. From having everything on Netflix a decade ago, to now having almost as many subscriptions as I used to have cable channels, it's a pain (let alone a cost) to install dozen apps on my phone tablet TV roku etc. Their quality varies WILDLY. The user experience ranges from pretty decent to seemingly user hostile. I've recently watched a set of seasons of a show pirated a decade ago, then last two seasons on actual subscription service, and it sucked: app would not let me download to SD card, had to take precious phone storage. Subtitles were 2 seconds behind with NO way to adjust. Fast forwarding was wonky and basically unusable. And best of all, it auto deleted itself 48hrs after downloading so I had to keep redownloading same stuff over and over. Brutal!

Why Not: As explained above - It's pricey and time consuming, there's a fair amount of risk in pirating, and technology seems to keep changing. I made a post about that a while ago, but I'm no longer at a point in my life where every 6 months I can spare the time to fully rebuild and reconfigure and troubleshoot a stack from sabnzbd and nsbmatrix to udirwioay and fewiap and fdsjei, and then 6 months later again to fdwjieo and wearp routed through wefheio and zxcnzxcv. I have a friend who keeps urging me to set it up because it's so easy - oblivious that whenever I try to use his helpful "how to", a) It's 3 pages long b) it is missing about 10 pages of details and c) It's already out of date so it's "do that, but none of that actually because these days now the cool thing is ____" :D

Re: Tell HN: I probably spend more on piracy than if I just paid for content

#140
You are just hoarding data which is a different "hobby" and piracy is merely a component of it.

And, yes, this hobby is expensive.

Do not go around saying that piracy is expensive.

There is also a similar side to it. You are _storing_ a lot of data. What if you decided to _play_ (games) instead? You would have needed more expensive hardwares. And a lot of power. Here _gaming_ would be more expensive.

What is expensive is your datahoarding habits, and not piracy.

You are also comparing apples to oranges here (watching movies vis-a-vis storing them). A more obvious a-to-o comparison is buying a Spotify subscription versus playing CoD: WW2 from a pirated source. You see, the second is more expensive than the first.

So,

1. Piracy is not expensive, your datahoarding habits are (plenty of people watch pirated content on 300-400$ laptops and 200$ phones.)

2. You are comparing apples to oranges.

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