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Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Not promoting someone because they're too good at their current job is a mistake bad companies make.

There's a difference between not promoting someone from lead code monkey, and not promoting someone from head of industrial design at Apple. The latter is a valid landing point for the rest of your life.

"Code monkey", really? I guess Jeff Dean, for example, feels pretty good as a top code monkey at Google.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Interestingly enough, there is a quote from the Jobs book, from Ive, that was tweeted by Bianca Bosker, who works at the Huffington Post: https://twitter.com/bbosker/status/127357233632788480 "Jony Ive:'I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from...so it hurts when [Jobs] takes credit for one of my designs'" As much as Jobs considered Ive a 'spiritual partner' there was still a power play that existed betwee…

at the end of the day. Steve Jobs had the final say on everything.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

#83

Interestingly enough, there is a quote from the Jobs book, from Ive, that was tweeted by Bianca Bosker, who works at the Huffington Post: https://twitter.com/bbosker/status/127357233632788480 "Jony Ive:'I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from...so it hurts when [Jobs] takes credit for one of my designs'" As much as Jobs considered Ive a 'spiritual partner' there was still a power play that existed betwee…

" [Jobs] " in the quote was added by the person who quote's Ive. He might have meant anyone.. These injected words change the meaning of a sentence.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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By comparison, John Lasseter has more power than anyone at Pixar. I think the situation could be similar. Now, sure, he has to commit to budgets and timeframes but if he really wants something you have to figure it's going to happen. And of course, he's not the top manager, the CEO equivalent in charge of the studio itself — Ed Catmull is. And yes, everything creative gets picked apart by other directors so it's not…

Yeah, sometimes we get the toilet seat cover iBook and Cars 2, but by and large having a creative guru under nobody else's thumb seems to work well for both companies.

Actually, John Lasseter defends Cars 2: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/movies/john-lasseter-of-pi...

Apparently the "critics" were far harsher than audiences.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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He didn't have to take credit for any particular designs, he just took credit for all the designs because of his unofficial role as "taste maker." That's way harder to refute. It's like giving Chuck Norris credit for all living things because he's allowed them to live.

chuck norris looked at this analogy…and it just stared back. EDIT: there are a lot of interesting people on HN, but there are a lot of humorless people too. enjoy your spectrum disorder.

"Everyone that doesn't agree with my sense of humour is handicapped!"

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Interestingly enough, there is a quote from the Jobs book, from Ive, that was tweeted by Bianca Bosker, who works at the Huffington Post: https://twitter.com/bbosker/status/127357233632788480 "Jony Ive:'I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from...so it hurts when [Jobs] takes credit for one of my designs'" As much as Jobs considered Ive a 'spiritual partner' there was still a power play that existed betwee…

" [Jobs] " in the quote was added by the person who quote's Ive. He might have meant anyone.. These injected words change the meaning of a sentence.

It was almost surely edited from "he", which would have been obvious by context.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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post #78

Interestingly enough, there is a quote from the Jobs book, from Ive, that was tweeted by Bianca Bosker, who works at the Huffington Post: https://twitter.com/bbosker/status/127357233632788480 "Jony Ive:'I pay maniacal attention to where an idea comes from...so it hurts when [Jobs] takes credit for one of my designs'" As much as Jobs considered Ive a 'spiritual partner' there was still a power play that existed betwee…

Personally, I think it'd be a much more intellectually honest viewpoint if Apple started showing off this creative process instead of the word "magic" being tossed around so loosely. It's not magic; it's hard working designers iterating, researching, collaborating, and then iterating more to make a great product. And it's damn hard work. Lift the curtain Apple and give Ive (and the others) their due.

Isn't the process a part of their competitive advantage though?

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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I wonder if this is why Apple started showing their little 'how its made' videos at the end of new product announcements that have often featured Ives talking about design.

Funny, not really, that he wasn't in the 4s' video. Didn't have shit to say that wasn't said in the 4's vid.

probably because the form factor hadn't changed.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Yeah, sometimes we get the toilet seat cover iBook and Cars 2, but by and large having a creative guru under nobody else's thumb seems to work well for both companies.

Actually, John Lasseter defends Cars 2: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/movies/john-lasseter-of-pi... Apparently the "critics" were far harsher than audiences.

Of course, Cars 2 is the low point in Pixar's streak but overall still able to capture an audience not to mention tons of toys sold. I understand Lasseter's point and given his fixation over the concept I'll just accept the fact it is a big deal to him personally just as I accept Jobs' enthusiasm about getting Beatles in the iTMS.

Re: Steve Jobs left designer Jony Ive more power than anyone at Apple

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Yeah, sometimes we get the toilet seat cover iBook and Cars 2, but by and large having a creative guru under nobody else's thumb seems to work well for both companies.

Say what you will about the original iBook, 14 year old me would have killed anyone you asked to have a Tangerine model. Loved that design so much. And it had Airport, which was science fiction shit at the time.

It was certainly playful and fun and seriously one of a kind in the laptop category to this day.

But, Ive kinda let his design overwhelm the product and the design was a lot less timeless comparing to his similarly themed first gen iMac.

I consider it an evolution of the pretty ugly eMate (though of course much better), and it was created at a time Ive still was maturing as an industrial designer working closely with Jobs.

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