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Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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Denon is already the downmarket brand for D&M though (Marantz being the high end), there wasn't much difference in cost between Denon and Onkyo.

Both are downmarket now. They are shells of their former selves.

Qualitywise you can argue that (I have a Denon AVR from 2013 and even then the Marantz brand was just an expensive looking case around the same electronics), but branding wise Marantz is the high end and Denon is the lower end.

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I don't this contradicts the "gone the way of the DSLR market" claim. Sonos and similar systems are simply good enough for most people. Whether it's TVs, cameras, surround sound systems, we reached a point of diminishing returns by cramming in more pixels or speakers. At that point, you're competing on factors like convenience. There will still be markets for 7.1+ surround sound or DSLR cameras, but they're smaller n…

With DSLRs my main complaint to this day is still the lack of a good modular lens system for phones (I understand some of the challenges and tradeoffs). For most people's camera habits (selfies, food shots, group pictures...) the lenses your modern flagship phone provides are mostly great. What's seriously lacking though is in the say 50-70+mm focal length range. I have an old Canon DSLR in my office storage collecti…

> With DSLRs my main complaint to this day is still the lack of a good modular lens system for phones (I understand some of the challenges and tradeoffs). For most people's camera habits (selfies, food shots, group pictures...) the lenses your modern flagship phone provides are mostly great.

Point-and-shoot cameras have been replaced by phones; DSLRs, on the other hand, are rapidly being replaced by mirrorless cameras. Mirrorless cameras, at least on the surface, seem to be an improvement on DSLRs -- they don't require a mirror, so they're both easier and cheaper to manufacture, they allow for modular lens systems, and even allow for more features (like shooting video as well as stills) than a traditional DSLR.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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This matches my experience, too. Setting up eARC and especially getting PS5 to use all speakers while being connected only to the TV took quite a bit of time, though.

Why wouldn't you connect the PS5 to the receiver?

Because then I lose 120Hz, which my TV supports, but the receiver doesn't.

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Absolutely. 100%. Last night we turned the “stereo” up really loud after Eurovision to listen to Mikas album for the first time in years - Full height Revel fronts, monitor audio rear effect speakers, dual subs, blasted it. I spent hours tuning curves on the Denon amp with an external microphone last year… Anyone that thinks a sound bar would sound anything like what we hear is honestly deluded. But, I also wouldn’t…

Same. The only thing I miss about owning my own home is that I can't set up a home theater. The last house I owned had a bare-to-the-studs basement when we bought it. I built a home theater to die for there: ran every wire you could think of, built the walls and ceiling where and how I wanted for optimum sound, acoustically treated everything, researched all the audio and video equipment, installed a projector, built…

Love Over Gold (the track) from Alchemy is my favorite live performance

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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Honestly.. just drop 400 to 500 bucks on a recent Marantz or Denon amp, your experience will be infinitely better. Five bucks might have been extortion and/or theft. Also, a decent sub (or two ;)) and spending time tuning it to your room, makes maybe more difference than anything else.

Unless you then try to hook that Denon up via HDMI to an LG TV - eARC won't work.

Why not? Regular ARC works fine on my Denon/LG setup. Is eARC lacking support because of a driver issue they could fix, or some kind of licensing issue?

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DSLR just got replaced by mirrorless basically same thing but without a mirror, cameras still have a more tech advancements to come, better EVF,global shutter, lower noise, higher fps, better AF, better metering, better IS, better battery life etc etc, a bit difference to a speaker that can only improve audio quality and at this point i probably can't tell the difference between a good 20 year old speaker and one bou…

I think the point is that sure, recently DSLR got more or less replaced by mirrorless, tech wise, but the camera market as a whole has been massively diminished because smart phones ate it from the bottom up. Now they're good enough that basically the DSLR/Mirrorless market is really just for enthusiasts or those with very specific needs.

enthusiasts? its for professionals and some enthusiasts, i doubt high end camera gear has reduced market share but the lower end consumer grade stuff has for sure gone since most people don't care about image quality etc when their phone can do basic photography. Just checked the sony A series lines cameras since 2015 have increased units sold every year.

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Yes - the Sonos Arc + sub + 2 rear channels sounds amazing after using the built in sound tuning, and got a pretty damn good review in What HiFi.

That's one I've already listened to, and it's atrocious. It sounds like 1990s car speakers.

I feel this may be hyperbole.

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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DSLR just got replaced by mirrorless basically same thing but without a mirror, cameras still have a more tech advancements to come, better EVF,global shutter, lower noise, higher fps, better AF, better metering, better IS, better battery life etc etc, a bit difference to a speaker that can only improve audio quality and at this point i probably can't tell the difference between a good 20 year old speaker and one bou…

Lower noise is not going to do much. Most of the noise in a modern camera at 'high' iso is present in the light signal you are capturing, rather than the result of a noisy amplifier. Light (the arrival of photons at a pixel) is approximately a poison process with the brightness being the arrival rate of photons. At low brightness, short exposure time, the variance in the total photons received at a pixel starts becom…

and yet noise has improved over the years same with the dynamic range, to the point where they can decrease photodiode size and still keep fairly good noise and then also release cameras with lower resolution with this technology to have very good low light capabilities like the A7S series. Look at the Canon EOS R3 just a massive jump in ISO quality and double the resolution of the A7SIII

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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It's not obsolete. It's the Chinese pronunciation.

It was the Chinese pronunciation 600 years ago.

The point is that it's very much alive in the Japanese language. Aside from 音響 (onkyou) itself, there are a multitude of sound-related compounds, such as the even more common 音楽 (ongaku, music). In fact, the very word for Sino-Japanese pronunciation (音読み, on'yomi) uses this as well.

Given all this, I would find "obsolete" a misleading descriptor. For that matter, I'd find "traditional" misleading as well, as that could refer to the native Japanese pronunciation (kun'yomi).

Re: Japanese audio brand Onkyo files for bankruptcy

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It was the Chinese pronunciation 600 years ago.

The point is that it's very much alive in the Japanese language. Aside from 音響 ( onkyou ) itself, there are a multitude of sound-related compounds, such as the even more common 音楽 ( ongaku , music). In fact, the very word for Sino-Japanese pronunciation (音読み, on'yomi ) uses this as well. Given all this, I would find "obsolete" a misleading descriptor. For that matter, I'd find "traditional" misleading as well, as tha…

A comparison to how we use the latin derived "audio" in English would probably have worked better than saying obsolete/traditional.
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