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$3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Tell me, what assets exactly are backing BTC which stop it from crashing just like Luna?

BTC is not pegged, that's the diff. When you don't claim a value, you don't need a 'backstop.'

You always need a backstop, otherwise you only have scarcity and not intrinsic value. Scarcity gives value in a bull market when people want in, but only a backstop gives real intrinsic value in a bear market when people want out.

It isn't like you can reverse the mining process and get back the electricity which was used to mint your BTC or something.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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I would hope that there would be some kind of evidence that can corroborate this. A sudden movement of 3B is a lot to hide on a public ledger, exchanges or no. Someone will certainly be connecting the dots.

I saw a twitter thread that this was a sell off to repay investment whales at a better rate than the real one - it was some big twitter guy in the space but I couldn't find it if I tried. If anyone knows the one I mean, please comment it here!

I’m sure it will come up if it’s backed by evidence and newsworthy, but don’t hold your breath.

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> “In a sense, the market is going to take that as kind of bullish.” I mean everything is a bit oversold right now on negative emotions, both in the crypto space and in the stock markets. There's probably going to be a positive bounce just because markets don't move in straight lines. There is always the chance that something else explodes due to stress tomorrow and hits the headlines and crypto and/or stocks start m…

The fact that crypto is correlated with tech stock valuations should be raising eyebrows. Flash back a few years and the hypothesis that bitcoin would hedge inflation/fiat depreciation was standard. If BTC is correlated with equities, why not just hold productive equities?

Likely due in part to many people thinking crypto markets trade only between 9-4 on weekdays and crypto being tech related.

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"Sold" It's hard to show that they really sold these coins. Certainly, the LFG transferred the coins to some different exchanges. But did they truly sell them? If I was running a dodgy ponzi scheme and saw it collapsing catastrophically, I don't think I'd be throwing good money after bad trying to futilely patch it up. Much better to stash the remaining assets away somewhere and personally cash out later on. Also, “I…

> “In a sense, the market is going to take that as kind of bullish.” I mean everything is a bit oversold right now on negative emotions, both in the crypto space and in the stock markets. There's probably going to be a positive bounce just because markets don't move in straight lines. There is always the chance that something else explodes due to stress tomorrow and hits the headlines and crypto and/or stocks start m…

> I mean everything is a bit oversold right now on negative emotions, both in the crypto space and in the stock markets.

I like your optimism but we are still well above what most people would consider reasonable valuations. That said there are trillions of new dollars out there that won't want to sit on the sidelines decaying at an 8% clip forever. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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> There is no possible way that trillions of new bitcoins could suddenly be created. That's a slightly strong perspective; it is not impossible; it is merely extremely hard.

> it is merely extremely hard. Care to elaborate how it could be done? Even if it were to happen, which it could not, the chain would fork from the moment before the hack and continue on without the hack.

It’s interesting how cryptocurrency advocacy makes otherwise intelligent people discard all principles of engineering with forceful statements like “it’s impossible,” when the only thing realistically standing between someone and as much Bitcoin as they want is SHA-2 compromise. I’m amazed with the money in play that it hasn’t happened yet. It speaks to the strength of the SHA-2 suite (and, complicatedly for me, the NSA) that it’s survived this well with a giant target on its back thanks to cryptocurrency.

Even here, you’ve assumed such an event would be a hack. Sure, one is not going to introduce trillions of coins, but a fast way to design a desired SHA-2 solution is a lot of cryptocurrencies’ factorization heel and played correctly could slowly make one incredibly wealthy (played poorly, it’d just collapse the entire currency and probably the whole idea).

You know how we’re all terrified of fast factorization and its implications for cryptography? Do you really think with the basically five minutes of research the industry has into quantum computing that SHA-2 is good enough for the entire life of a currency? We’ve already shown that coins can’t fork to change stupid shit, so I mean, good luck with an owned hash. So, hard, not impossible. Just don’t forget: once upon a time we thought MD5 was awesome and you’ve never heard of MD4.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #129

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> “In a sense, the market is going to take that as kind of bullish.” I mean everything is a bit oversold right now on negative emotions, both in the crypto space and in the stock markets. There's probably going to be a positive bounce just because markets don't move in straight lines. There is always the chance that something else explodes due to stress tomorrow and hits the headlines and crypto and/or stocks start m…

The fact that crypto is correlated with tech stock valuations should be raising eyebrows. Flash back a few years and the hypothesis that bitcoin would hedge inflation/fiat depreciation was standard. If BTC is correlated with equities, why not just hold productive equities?

You mean flash back a few years to the pre-pandemic era? I think its safe to say the ripples of that particular boulder hitting global financial markets will be felt for decades to come.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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What's everyone's thoughts on Gemini dollar? Gemini claims [1] that GUSD is FDIC insured up to $250K and audited [2] by a third party called BMP [3]. I also remember reading that Gemini is used by a number of IRA custodians, so I'd assume that they're pretty heavily regulated. [1] https://www.gemini.com/dollar [2] https://assets.ctfassets.net/jg6lo9a2ukvr/VOtyB4tBb0G4FVt6Eq... [3] https://www.bpm.com/

It's a completely different ball game from UST. UST didn't even claim to be fully backed, whereas Gemini's third-party auditing accounting firm attests to GUSD being fully backed, under the scrutiny of the New York State Department Of Financial Services.

I wasn't claiming they're same. Was just wondering what the thoughts are on another stablecoin which claims to be fully backed by USD and how valid those claims actually are. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted.

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Luna crashed because people lost trust in it. The only reason people have trust in BTC is because other people have trust in it. If that ever changed, there is no actual use for a BTC, and they are thus intrinsically worthless. Fiat currency has the backing of a government. The government demands certain payments of this currency in order to own land, and also for some extra rights like mineral extraction, fishing li…

> Luna crashed because people lost trust in it. No. It crashed because trillions of tokens were created rendering each token worthless.

Then why did the total Luna market cap go down? Surely if people still had trust it should have just diluted the token values?

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Real banks practice fractional-reserve banking, where they are required to hold a percentage of assets as cash or central bank deposits. It's well-regulated and diversified. It's audited. Individual account holders' deposits are insured (FDIC in the US). This is all well-known and understood and reliable. Runs can still happen, shady accounting practices can still happen, and sometimes banks fail. Sometimes they fail…

In the US, the required reserve ratio has been 0% since March 2020. I personally wouldn't view the traditional financial system as about as trustworthy as things get.

AFAIK reserve requirements (ie. cash on hand) was dropped to 0%, but capital requirements (ie. assets on hand) are still there.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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"Sold" It's hard to show that they really sold these coins. Certainly, the LFG transferred the coins to some different exchanges. But did they truly sell them? If I was running a dodgy ponzi scheme and saw it collapsing catastrophically, I don't think I'd be throwing good money after bad trying to futilely patch it up. Much better to stash the remaining assets away somewhere and personally cash out later on. Also, “I…

> “In a sense, the market is going to take that as kind of bullish.” I mean everything is a bit oversold right now on negative emotions, both in the crypto space and in the stock markets. There's probably going to be a positive bounce just because markets don't move in straight lines. There is always the chance that something else explodes due to stress tomorrow and hits the headlines and crypto and/or stocks start m…

> I mean everything is a bit oversold right now

you ain't seen nuthin' yet

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