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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by aasasd »

netsharc wrote: post #110
klausjensen wrote: post #53

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EDIT: This turned out to be fake - sorry. Leaving the rest of the comment here for posterity. A Russian restaurant chain "Uncle Vanya" has already filed for a trademark that looks very "inspired" by the McD arches. It is basically rotated 90 degrees and a line is added, so it looks like a "B" - which is like the letter "V" in Vanya in the cyrillic alphabet. Source: https://twitter.com/JoshGerben/status/15040821259680…

The cyrillic "Щ" (a W with a tail) is pronounced Shcha, I saw a shawarma restaurant in Russia using an upside-down McDonald's double arches, in the same yellow.

Shawarma joints are not the pinnacle, or even the mean, of corporate conscientiousness.

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Post by chongli »

adventured wrote: post #99
cbozeman wrote: post #74

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I don't think this is the reasoning at all. I think trying to conduct transactions in a heavily sanctioned nation that's also fighting a war of aggression against a neighbor, and incurring heavy losses, is causing a headache for the bean counters, and it has finally become more trouble than it's worth, financially. These enormous multinational behemoths - as an entity - don't give two shits about the people dying in…

The parent did not say that was the reason, they said McDonald's leaving has symbolic meaning - which it absolutely does in a huge way. > These enormous multinational behemoths - as an entity - don't give two shits about the people dying in Ukraine, Russian soldiers dying, or the Russian people enduring hardships. They care about profit. Of course they do care about the context, very obviously, precisely because it c…

Thank you. Far too often people will jump in and cry "all corporations only care about profits!" which is about as interesting a statement as "all programming languages are Turing-equivalent".

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Post by eimrine »

reedjosh wrote: post #299
eimrine wrote: post #285

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I also use to fry on fat, if there is enough fat on my kitchen. But usually it finishes very fast after appearing. Thank you for wax paper advice, I use it for salting a red fish using my friend's recipe who is a sailor. Will try to find some food with this kind of package. > literally designed to keep you eating more and feeling hungry shortly thereafter How on Earth is possible to design a high-calorie food (this i…

> How on Earth is possible to design a high-calorie food (this is a promice of MacDo) which makes you feel hungry shortly? For me it works like a regular food. Sugars and refined flour does this. The foods spike your blood sugar and then cause a crash.

Don't let me misunderstood you, but you say that if I add some sugar or bread to my meal then I will feel hunger sooner. Seems like totally unreproduceble setup for an experiment, every my food intake tells me that the higher the calorage the more fuel.

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Post by ninkendo »

titaniumtown wrote: post #14
whitepaint wrote: post #7

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Why? They have such tasty food, I love it.

you aren't gonna be loving it when you get health problems

I ate it every day for around 9 months or so. I lost weight. It’s just about as unhealthy as any other 700-ish calorie lunch, and if it’s your biggest meal of the day and you don’t otherwise overeat, what’s the problem?

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Post by aasasd »

paradite wrote: post #217

The end of the "Golden Arches theory": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree#G...

> it would become a "McDonald's country", and will not be interested in fighting wars anymore

Remind me, which country has its army continually trained and upgraded by entering one war after another for the past twenty if not forty years.

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Post by bombcar »

mlyle wrote: post #278
werds wrote: post #268

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you guys must eat at McDonalds a real lot to be able to discern any difference, it's exactly the same food in slightly different shapes.

I disagree. McDonalds in the US is gross. I've had McDonalds in Europe 4-5 times and each of those were pretty OK. (Why am I eating McDonalds in Europe? Sometimes when you get off a train and don't have your bearings yet in a place, something fast that's a known quantity is the way to go even if it pales to other options you'll find soon).

The "Here" app loaded with a country has all the McDonalds, which are guaranteed (almost always) to have a restroom and wifi. Can be worth it's weight in gold.

(I don't notice a ton of difference between USA McDonald's and other ones, though the taste can be slightly different, and I don't usually frequent McDonalds in dense urban areas in the USA.)

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Post by maxlamb »

mc32 wrote: post #260
throwaway290 wrote: post #51

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IANAL but Russia is legal to do business with with exception of certain corporate entities and individuals. There's a deny-list, not an allow-list. Unfortunately, since the latest war the deny-list has grown substantially (making it a bit difficult to ensure you aren't accidentally servicing someone involved with a sanctioned entity), combined with political pressure this prompted some businesses to go an extra mile…

Russia has uniformed soldiers in there conducting war -illegally, if wars are other than illegal, or at least not sanctioned by the UN and also committing war crimes. But I don’t think it’s terrorism. Terrorism usually has a few criteria: not a regular army, and typically don’t use heavy military equipment but rely on guerrilla tactics and aim to terrorize because they are incapable of taking over a territory —becaus…

There’s plenty of evidence though that the Russian army is seeking to terrorize civilians, including bombing hospitals / schools and leaving mines and booby trapping homes of civilians, specifically because they are having trouble taking over the territory. It would be weird to me that a military unit can do what terrorists do and not be labeled that way just because they are officially part of an army and have modern equipment. That’s not something a “normal” army does to protect its territory. https://ctmirror.org/2022/05/16/designate-russia-a-state-spo...

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Post by throwaway290 »

mc32 wrote: post #260
throwaway290 wrote: post #51

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IANAL but Russia is legal to do business with with exception of certain corporate entities and individuals. There's a deny-list, not an allow-list. Unfortunately, since the latest war the deny-list has grown substantially (making it a bit difficult to ensure you aren't accidentally servicing someone involved with a sanctioned entity), combined with political pressure this prompted some businesses to go an extra mile…

Russia has uniformed soldiers in there conducting war -illegally, if wars are other than illegal, or at least not sanctioned by the UN and also committing war crimes. But I don’t think it’s terrorism. Terrorism usually has a few criteria: not a regular army, and typically don’t use heavy military equipment but rely on guerrilla tactics and aim to terrorize because they are incapable of taking over a territory —becaus…

Have you misplaced your comment? It is obviously an ethically grey area, but the question was whether it violates sanctions or not. It isn't, as far as I know (if there's someone better informed I'm happy to be corrected).

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Post by ogurechny »

adventured wrote: post #139
ushakov wrote: post #107

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Apple products can be brought from overseas with McDonalds they would just make a clone which uses same formulas and suppliers

It's about removing sanction: denying the Russians - particularly the urban Russians - their veneer of civilization, affluence, westernization. The notion that they had accomplished something material positive in regards to moving forward in the world among nations after the Soviet collapse. Sure they can clone brands, and sometimes they can clone products and services, you can also go to Walmart and buy Great Value…

The scale of these delusions can only match the scale of Putin's delusions. How detached from real life should one be to reason about people as though they were homo economicus, pathetic humanoid consumers?

Linking “brands” to “civilization” is just a widespread publicist cliche that is only observed in various “analysis” in media. When you look at what people actually did, there is no trace of such feeling. Those who were critical of the state politics reacted to the news with “things are looking turbulent, better buy some buckwheat just in case”. Those who were supportive of the state politics reacted to the news with “things are looking turbulent, better buy some buckwheat just in case”. See, no one seriously cared about McDonalds® burgers or Apple® devices, but that didn't affect “economical prognoses” in the slightest. I can make my own: not even in most glorious America there is enough people to start an uprising over McDonalds being unavailable.

What's more important, outside of lucky industries like IT, not many people can even afford to care about brands. Those who make a lot usually work in export or budget spending (or “spending”) sectors, and they are the ones who perfectly understand that their wealth depends first and foremost on supporting any decision that comes from above, not following some capitalist dreams (even though this is a typical corporate manager situation). Those who make a lot more than a lot, and used to buy castles, villas, yachts, and so on in Europe and elsewhere, had zero problems with that for decades, despite the common knowledge that almost none of them had made those kind of money independently, and with hard work. One might even theorise that shooting down Boeing full of Europeans (as opposed to lesser people across the world routinely dying on TV screens) was Putin's particularly devilish plan of forcing his daughter to stop enjoying life abroad and move back home. Such are customs in modern “high society” of “successful people”. Have anyone noticed that when US arrested Abramovich's mansion, he seemed to get irritated, and made some un-business-like comments along the lines of “I'm no different from other people buying those, what's your fucking problem?” Might be the rare occasion of him telling some truth.

There has been a very nice rebuttal back in March. I am grateful to English translators because now I don't have to state all of that myself: https://www.getrevue.co/profile/belkitz/issues/weekly-newsle...

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Post by vetinari »

postalrat wrote: post #292
vetinari wrote: post #252

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> This is 2022, we have to pack our food with some plastic. We don't; cardboard packaging for food is pretty common nowadays.

What are they using to bind the paper in that cardboard?

Starch-based adhesives.

But there are plastic packages still. Sauces for example will come in small plastic cups.

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