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Most of those deaths were before the vaccine was widely available or available at all. Is it really a great choice now?
China isn’t distributing the effective western vaccines to its citizens. Also their death numbers are a complete fiction.
Pfizer has outperformed Sinovac, but it still provided protection.
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Reality aside, there are millions of people in China who are alive today who would not be if they had followed the US' policy. It is far too early to be calling that a failure.
>Reality aside, there are millions of people in China who are alive today who would not be if they had followed the US' policy. That is a bad argument with no bearing on the current situation. As the virus has mutated the strategy to deal with the virus needs to change. Early on China's strategy was effective at preventing deaths (the costs to achieve this could be debated), but now the virus has changed and that str…
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China has done an awful job vaccinating their population - this is the real story that is being undercovered by the media, rather than trying to convince me that somehow their massive lockdown success is somehow actually a failure.
> China has done an awful job vaccinating their population - this is the real story that is being undercovered by the media According to [0] they've got 1,287,195,000 fully vaccinated, how is that an awful job? AIUI their failing is more along the lines of not using the mrna vaccines, but despite having a huge population they seem to have put jabs in most arms. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_i…
https://archive.ph/Ww9o3/a0fe4ca441387dca37b8beebe30ac260501...
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Most of those deaths were before the vaccine was widely available or available at all. Is it really a great choice now?
China isn’t distributing the effective western vaccines to its citizens. Also their death numbers are a complete fiction.
The bigger problem though is that a significant proportion of elderly people remain unvaccinated. Look what happened in Hong Kong to see a prediction of what will happen if Covid gets loose in mainland China without a more substantial vaccine drive.
There are rumors than President Xi has been using the coronavirus outbreak as a convenient excuse to knock the "Shanghai clique" down a few pegs. Supposedly he thought the local Shanghai leaders were getting a bit too popular, and insufficiently deferential to Beijing. He's terrified of seeing any alternative power centers develop.
Current leader of Shanghai Li Qiang is Xi’s best buddy since 20 years ago.. quite the opposite the plan might be from someone else to take Shanghai back
This may be a recurring battle between urban/tech and rural factions, although there probably are many urban areas that are envious of Shanghai and may want it taken down a notch.
I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world like India and major parts of the US even test now. I mean unless it’s absolutely clear it’s covid they probably don’t test and go on with their lives.
There are some theories posited by this youtuber [1] that suggest this has little to do with covid. I am curious what others here familiar with living in China think about this. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZHiE96tWY4 [video]
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"China is another story. Its official statistics understate the Chinese Covid death rate by 17,000% (according to The Economist’s model). In fact, based on excess mortality calculations, The Economist estimates that the true number of Covid deaths in China is not 4,636 – but something like 1.7 million." "Beijing Is Intentionally Underreporting China’s Covid Death Rate" https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/…
The Economist's model is complete nonsense when it comes to China. The Economist trained a black box machine learning algorithm on data from a bunch of countries that let the virus rip, and then blindly applied the resulting model to China. Garbage in, garbage out. From April 2020 through the end of 2021, people in China were out and about, living their lives almost as normal. Nobody knew anyone who was getting sick,…
China has 4x the number of people living there as the US. Back in November 2020, approximately 0.08% of all Americans had already died of Covid. That's about 0.01% of America's population dying a month for the first 8 months. And yet if you asked most people in the US if they actually knew of someone who got sick and went to the hospital with Covid, let alone die from it, the overwhelming response would have been no. Most of people's understanding of the toll of the virus was through the media and second hand reports, which is why Covid denialism was able to flourish. And look at case rates today. Thanks to vaccines and immunity, death rates are low, but recent CDC reports have official Covid cases for this week being at the same level as they were in November 2020, with the true number being almost certainly far higher due to the availability of home testing now. And yet American society has largely returned to business as usual, and most people don't know anyone with an active infection right now.
Now look at China. A total of 1.7 million Chinese people dying through then end of 2021 would only amount to 0.12% of Chinese people dying, but over the course of 24 months, which is about 0.05% of the population dying per month over the course of the pandemic. If most Americans were still mostly only encountering Covid through the media as late as November 2020, then I imagine it would be pretty easy to feel like things are under control in China when the death rate is half that, combined with strict government control of media, hospitals, and the internet.
How exactly is "zero-COVID" supposed to end? It seems like China are committed to extreme measures like this in perpetuity any time there is a future outbreak, which will happen.
The zero-Covid is just an excuse to manipulate the local (increasing wealth of citizens) and global (supply chain disruption) economic landscape. This should be obvious to anyone, but I guess is not, and some people still think this is about Covid.
