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How exactly is "zero-COVID" supposed to end? It seems like China are committed to extreme measures like this in perpetuity any time there is a future outbreak, which will happen.
Is it known what variant(s) led to this outbreak and lockdown?
It seems like Omicron is way worse in China because their initial lockdown response had them living in a covid bubble while the rest of the world got infected. Unless they managed to never have another case forever this seemed like an inevitable outcome.
How exactly is "zero-COVID" supposed to end? It seems like China are committed to extreme measures like this in perpetuity any time there is a future outbreak, which will happen.
Flippant tone aside, I think those are your only options. My 2c.
Pre-vaccines, China’s Zero COVID approached seemed wise and impressive. Now it is clear that they were just paranoiacs and now have a policy that doesn’t meet the moment.
I did not realize there is such a strict lockdown even now. Somehow missed that news cycle. However that makes me wonder if the other countries in the world like India and major parts of the US even test now. I mean unless it’s absolutely clear it’s covid they probably don’t test and go on with their lives.
I've been following the situation and it's absolutely wild. It all stems from their Zero covid policy, they are the only country still perusing it, to the absolute detriment and destruction of everything else it seems. With how fast Omicron spreads, zero-covid is simply untenable these days but China is trying... The basic report is that people are starving. The government has provided food but the food situation is…
Does anybody know what the situation is in the rest of China? I hear there are a couple of strict lockdowns in other cities, and some districts of Beijing. China has in the past justified their harsh measures because the relative majority could live without Covid restrictions (and illness and deaths of course). It would be interesting to see what portion of the population is on lockdown, but it is hard to find good s…
How exactly is "zero-COVID" supposed to end? It seems like China are committed to extreme measures like this in perpetuity any time there is a future outbreak, which will happen.
Bizarrely, I don’t think they have an exit strategy. They ought to be vaccinating all the holdouts, but I think the government there is afraid of a backlash if they force pensioners to roll up their sleeves.
Most countries using the Chinese vaccines had the "benefit" of having a ton of natural immunity as well. China obviously does not have this. They might seriously have to consider importing Western vaccines as boosters, especially for their under-vaccinated elderly population.
Does anybody know what the situation is in the rest of China? I hear there are a couple of strict lockdowns in other cities, and some districts of Beijing. China has in the past justified their harsh measures because the relative majority could live without Covid restrictions (and illness and deaths of course). It would be interesting to see what portion of the population is on lockdown, but it is hard to find good s…
Right now, there is a 48-hour-test policy, and we should have a negative COVID test within 48 hour to enter a public building. Once you have that, almost all services in Hangzhou are open. We can work, shop, meet as usual. The COVID test is free, available in every community, could be collected (mixed with 10 people) in 10 minutes. There are still a few cases some day. I believe we can stop the wide spread of Omicron in Hangzhou in this way.
Also, this is how Shenzhen fight with Omicron two months ago, it contain it, but Shanghai got it spread in the same time. Right now, the cases in Shanghai is declining, will be open soon hopefully, finger crossed!
This is similar to what happened in Europe at height of our first lockdowns - give a few months and demand will be back with a catch-up.
At the heights of lockdown, the European market dropped 76% YoY (from 1143046 cars in April 2019 to 270682 in 2020). Even in the most affected countries the market didn't bottom out so completely:
* in the UK, sales went from 161k to 4.3k
* in Italy, sales went from 175k to 4.3k
* in Ireland, sales went from 8900 to 344 (nb: the Irish market seems extremely seasonal, with strong sales in January and July, middling sales in Feb and March dropping to nothing by June, and basically no sales from August to December, in 2020 the bottom dropped out in March but sales recovered almost normally by July)
Shanghai has almost 4 times the population of Ireland, 40% the population of Italy or the UK.