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McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Why is it more important to listen to Russia than to listen to Ukraine, Sweden, and Finland? Or also Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia?

Because Russia has 10k nuclear warheads that yankees are apparently ignoring, and the expansion of NATO is happening on european soil at european stability expenses, which apparently EU leaders are ignoring, you guys seem to think that I come here to say these things because I am a fan of Mister Putin, I am not, but I am aware that actions have consequences and if Hilary Clinton and Obama tell a guy that he is Hitler…

The thing is, Russia invasion and occupation (again) is not in interest of European countries around Russia.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

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From your link it looks like Russia was breaking the treaty in many different ways.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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I'm not sure they really could easily continue to operate as normal. Their business units in Russia get paid by consumers in rubles, but due to the financial sanctions, they can no longer convert rubles to US dollars [1]. From the point of view of their non-Russian shareholders, this effectively means all that money is inaccessible. This would result in complications in reporting the revenue on their income statement…

You're right, currently you can't get your revenue outside unless you're down to use a scheme involving exchange for trades inside Russia, move them outside and turn back to money. I've diagonally read the article linked and it depicts everything correctly.

Finally a use for Bitcoin?

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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I think whether they go back will depend on what the country looks like after things stabilize. If Russia comes out of this still on belligerent footing then spending resources to reestablish a presence will be extremely risky. Even if leadership changes and makes conciliatory noises I would expect things to still take some years before the world can trust it's authentic.

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NATO has always been a defensive alliance, a retaliatory deterrence against attacking any one member, especially weaker members that would be easy to pick off.

NATO expansion has pretty much always been a reaction to Russian aggression, including the most recent accessions following Russia's takeover of Crimea and now their invasion if the Ukraine.

Painting NATO expansion as an aggressive act that forces Russia to retaliate with their own belligerance is a reversal of cause & effect at best and a willful blindness or belief in propaganda at worst. The truth is that since the fall of the Soviet Union Russia has been free to participate in global affairs & economics as much or as little as it wants, and while geopolitical games are played on all sides there have been no efforts to prevent Russia's peaceful participation such things. The rest of the world has even turned a blind eye to some fairly brutal conflicts they waged to consolidate what power they could among former Soviet states. Such is that nature of realpolitik.

Russian leadership's desire to take that to an entirely new level right now is of course scaring the shit our of other close neighbors who rightfully fear that they would be next on the list.

US actions in, e.g., Iraq and Afghanistan are irrelevant "whataboutism". If you have a problem with US actions then complain about them, advocate for US sanctions or a NATO-like alliance against US aggression or whatever you thing is appropriate. But none of it excuses Russia's actions and the very reasonable response from other countries that now seek protection from becoming their next target.

Complaining about NATO expansion as an instigator of Russian aggression is like complaining that a playground bully is justified in beating up kids just because a group of those kids decided they would defend themselves collectively if the bully went after them again.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Based on what? I'm sure they could exit anywhere they wanted, but since Canada isn't actively committing war crimes and having sanctions placed on it, what positive would come from leaving Canada?

Because people here are getting fat. Not as bad as America, but obesity is a problem here.

I blame the poutine.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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This is laughable on the same level as Putin when he denied that Russian troops are in Crimea. "These are just some people who bought their uniforms in the military store" "That was not a NATO operation but an operation carried out by NATO countries" Meanwhile for the whole world, NATO has waged war in Iraq. Yugoslavia before that. Lybia after that.

Out of NATO, British and Polish soldiers participated during the invasion phase. It was not NATO invasion by any reasonable definition.

And Italy, and Czechia, poor us italians, we were told after Nassiriya that our sacrifice would not have been forgotten, now we don't even get quoted in the occupants list

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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> Russia is party to several international treaties that allow it to be sued outside of Russian courts if it doesn't uphold intellectual property law... > The outcome is nothing need be proven, the assertion is sufficient... There seem to be inconsistent messages in this thread. Do we need to prove anything to take stuff off the Russians or don't we?

> There seem to be inconsistent messages in this thread. Do we need to prove anything to take stuff off the Russians or don't we? Isn't it like it has always been in human history? You don't need to prove anything if your goal is total destruction of your enemy and everything associated with them. Just do what you think will harm them the most. Until the total destruction of one or another side. Or the whole humanity…

> some people act surprised when that same enemy fight back using the same or similar means?

Such as the headline "Russia ‘steals’ 150 planes leased from foreign owners"?[0]

[0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/04/23/russia-steal...

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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> The Company intends to initiate the process of “de-Arching” those restaurants, which entails no longer using the McDonald’s name, logo, branding, and menu, though the Company will continue to retain its trademarks in Russia. Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :)

Go to Taiwan to see how ostracism from the WTO order turns out: hint, Disney et al. copyrights and trademarks are universally used without fear or concern by just about everyone. What can the IP "owners" say: "We're going to sic the WTO on you!"?? The trivial answer: "We applied to the WTO and for political and diplomatic expediency they won't have us so we are not governed by the WTO" The same will happen with Russi…

I wish more countries would do this!

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Are all of those mega yachts getting boarded not considered seized?

That is my understanding. The property still belongs to the owners

>> Are all of those mega yachts getting boarded not considered seized?

> That is my understanding. The property still belongs to the owners

IIRC, there are efforts being made to outright seize stuff like the yachts, sell them, and give the proceeds to Ukraine. I'm not completely up on the details, though. I think some criteria might be if the property is de-facto owned by the Russian state, or was acquired due to corrupt association with it.

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