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> I'd say the optimal function … Optimal in what sense?
In not being suboptimal for our purposes.
And what do you imagine “our purpose” is?
Minnesota Wants to Ban Under-18s from User-Generated Content Services
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In that case, they are free to take responsibility for the media their children have access to.
Good luck. My uncles kid was always on dating sites etc at a young age. I did everything for them setting up restrictions, ensuring the kid had an account that only could access a few sites. They took away their tablet and phone etc. The kid still managed to get caught hooking up with older men via Grindr.
In 20 years, do you think the kid will think the gratuitously restrictive parenting or the hooking up with older men caused more damage?
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Because then you end up with a society with extreme STEM brain. You will not raise citizens but a politically uneducated servant class in a society vulnerable to extreme fracturing as common frameworks to think about politics were not established. Poltical education has been part of the education for the rulers since forever and since the enlightenment it has been more and more become part of education of everybody.…
What is wrong with just teaching facts about politics instead of beliefs about political positions? (my education list what not exhaustive)
1. Facts are in contention and can also be politicised. When it comes to humanities there are often no facts just interpretations backed by arguments which you guessed it are political. Interpretations impose higher order structures. Recognizing such structures is important to draw parallels and apply learnings from history to the current time. If you just teach (= have people memorize) facts they will not be able to learn from history.
2. You can not act upon facts. To rationally decide what action to take you need a value system. Value Innsystems are political.
3. If you do not teach a value system people tend to construct irrational, selfish, short sighted value systems or just without reflection assume value system of their environment. Some viral value systems teach helplessness, people wouldn't dare to use their own mind but instead consult book or preacher.
4. Without encouragement for unified values nations fracture. So without politics having a thumb on what goes on in schools nations can not reproduce over successive generations.
What's wrong? Your suggestion would cripple western society (actually any society) and might get people killed.
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Good luck. My uncles kid was always on dating sites etc at a young age. I did everything for them setting up restrictions, ensuring the kid had an account that only could access a few sites. They took away their tablet and phone etc. The kid still managed to get caught hooking up with older men via Grindr.
In 20 years, do you think the kid will think the gratuitously restrictive parenting or the hooking up with older men caused more damage?
Both
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#175Two things are true: 1. this bill is trash, it couldn’t be enforced, it’s pandering. 2. Social media as it has existed for the last 5-10 years is harmful for teenagers. Instagram is making teens depressed and suicidal. TikTok videos have people celebrating mental illness like Tourette’s and has brainwashed impressionable kids into believing they too have tics or multiple personalities or Tourette’s. Something needs t…
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What is wrong with just teaching facts about politics instead of beliefs about political positions? (my education list what not exhaustive)
1. Facts are in contention and can also be politicised. When it comes to humanities there are often no facts just interpretations backed by arguments which you guessed it are political. Interpretations impose higher order structures. Recognizing such structures is important to draw parallels and apply learnings from history to the current time. If you just teach (= have people memorize) facts they will not be able to…
How do you solve the issue when your ideals are rejected by parents (adults) of children being taught? Is it just "too bad for them?" (whether democrat or republican?)
No, my suggestion is to view schools as politically agnostic. This is possible, and the best option for everyone everywhere.
Political beliefs can, and should be, left to adults to decide on their own.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Facts are in contention and can also be politicised. When it comes to humanities there are often no facts just interpretations backed by arguments which you guessed it are political. Interpretations impose higher order structures. Recognizing such structures is important to draw parallels and apply learnings from history to the current time. If you just teach (= have people memorize) facts they will not be able to…
How do you solve the issue when your ideals are rejected by parents (adults) of children being taught? Is it just "too bad for them?" (whether democrat or republican?) No, my suggestion is to view schools as politically agnostic. This is possible, and the best option for everyone everywhere. Political beliefs can, and should be, left to adults to decide on their own.
> How do you solve the issue when your ideals are rejected by parents (adults) of children being taught?
The best one can do is teaching about the existence of the variety of values (i am against teaching ideals) walk through some of the consequences, discuss it and encourage students to reflect. If the memetic power of values of the parents are so low that knowledge of the existence of values which conflict with them causes them to not be transmitted to the next generation then i say "tough luck". If soley one set of values is being taught and all others are demonized that would be something parents can be justifiably enraged by.
I wouldn't trust the americans education system to get things right anyway but it can get things less wrong.
> (whether democrat or republican?)
I do not care much about this destinction.
> No, my suggestion is to view schools as politically agnostic.
My suggestion is to have schools teach tolerance and give people a rough enough understanding of the different value systems so they do not cause offense because of ignorance. I find this preferable. If existence of different values causes offense to the parent "too bad for them".
> Political beliefs can, and should be, left to adults to decide on their own.
For people to be able to make their own choice, they should be guaranteed the right to learn about other choices. (I am against home schooling, if you can not tell but i am not sure abolishing home schooling would be worth while use of political capital as it is used to plaster over a lot of problems in education system that would have to be fixed first).
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you solve the issue when your ideals are rejected by parents (adults) of children being taught? Is it just "too bad for them?" (whether democrat or republican?) No, my suggestion is to view schools as politically agnostic. This is possible, and the best option for everyone everywhere. Political beliefs can, and should be, left to adults to decide on their own.
> How do you solve the issue when your ideals are rejected by parents (adults) of children being taught? The best one can do is teaching about the existence of the variety of values (i am against teaching ideals) walk through some of the consequences, discuss it and encourage students to reflect. If the memetic power of values of the parents are so low that knowledge of the existence of values which conflict with the…
>> (whether democrat or republican?)
>I do not care much about this destinction.
This is the crux of the problem here, American's very much do care about this distinction. So to dismiss it is to not solve the problem.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How do you solve the issue when your ideals are rejected by parents (adults) of children being taught? The best one can do is teaching about the existence of the variety of values (i am against teaching ideals) walk through some of the consequences, discuss it and encourage students to reflect. If the memetic power of values of the parents are so low that knowledge of the existence of values which conflict with the…
>> (whether democrat or republican?) >I do not care much about this destinction. This is the crux of the problem here, American's very much do care about this distinction. So to dismiss it is to not solve the problem.
You asked me for my opinion. I gave it. You Americans need to sort it out on your end.
Not teaching politicized stuff is dangerous as that means a sufficiently large minority screaming loud enough have a mechanism to censor any school content by making it political even if it shouldn't be.
It did offer a solution in my reply. Explain multiple sides, explain other world religions, if students have a good understanding of all compatible with society ideologies they can pick when they are old enough.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> (whether democrat or republican?) >I do not care much about this destinction. This is the crux of the problem here, American's very much do care about this distinction. So to dismiss it is to not solve the problem.
You asked me for my opinion. I gave it. You Americans need to sort it out on your end. Not teaching politicized stuff is dangerous as that means a sufficiently large minority screaming loud enough have a mechanism to censor any school content by making it political even if it shouldn't be. It did offer a solution in my reply. Explain multiple sides, explain other world religions, if students have a good understanding…
Your opinion can be unuseful for the simple reason it's off topic.
If you aren't American, you simply cannot understand our political issues and to dismiss them as if they aren't important (because they aren't important to you) is disrespectful.