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Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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But turks said no.

If they had to choose, NATO would probably rather have Sweden and Finland in and Turkey out. Here's an interesting thread on Finland's strategic importance: https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1525959053490458624

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Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had to choose, NATO would probably rather have Sweden and Finland in and Turkey out. Here's an interesting thread on Finland's strategic importance: https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1525959053490458624

Would you rather NATO drop Turkey, or Sweden drop the PKK? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-meet-turkey-critic... "The problem is that these two countries are openly supporting and engaging with PKK and YPG. These are terrorist organisations that have been attacking our troops every day," Mevlut Cavusoglu said as he arrived in Berlin for a meeting with his NATO counterparts. "Therefore it is unacceptable and…

1) The PKK is considered a terrorist organistsnion in Sweden, we do not support them in any way and our police tracks PKK activity plus 2) giving in to Turkish demands would be really bad optics for Swedish politicisns so I do not think they will cave. Doing so would risk them the election. I think Turkey will fold.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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> Speaking of Sweden, if I was a person of color, I’d stay away from the Nordic countries and Europe all together. We have our own share of issues in the US but at least non-white people have some power in the media and politics. In Sweden, non-white people have zero power. It’s literally like 100 years behind the US when it comes to assimilation of cultures.

What does this have to do with the topic of this post, which is "Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership"? It seems like pure off-topic distraction.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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But turks said no.

If they had to choose, NATO would probably rather have Sweden and Finland in and Turkey out. Here's an interesting thread on Finland's strategic importance: https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1525959053490458624

Strategic importance does not matter much if Finland does not allow the storage of nuclear weapons in their territory. Effective deterrence strategy would require that.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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Sweden was an unofficial NATO member anyways. Everybody knew this. They just didn't officially join in order to pretend to be a 'neutral' actor on the world stage, but anyone with a brain should know whose side they are on.

In the modern world, there are only 4 independent states - US, china, russia and north korea. Everyone else is a vassal to some degree or another.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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If they had to choose, NATO would probably rather have Sweden and Finland in and Turkey out. Here's an interesting thread on Finland's strategic importance: https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1525959053490458624

But NATO can't choose because getting rid of a prior member of an alliance undermines the very idea and value of the alliance.

> getting rid of a prior member of an alliance undermines the very idea and value of the alliance

Not really. It does if one does this after they’re invaded, to evade mutual defence commitments. But acknowledging that there are no longer shared values and providing an off ramp is perfectly fine. Strengthening, even, as it shows heightened resolve to take the commitment seriously.

Re: Sweden to Apply for NATO Membership

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Sweden was an unofficial NATO member anyways. Everybody knew this. They just didn't officially join in order to pretend to be a 'neutral' actor on the world stage, but anyone with a brain should know whose side they are on. In the modern world, there are only 4 independent states - US, china, russia and north korea. Everyone else is a vassal to some degree or another.

> In the modern world, there are only 4 independent states - US, china, russia and north korea. Everyone else is a vassal to some degree or another.

Wut? North Korea is the vassalist vassal that ever vassaled. Russia might be getting there.

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