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McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by _kbh_ »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #34
ineedasername wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think whether they go back will depend on what the country looks like after things stabilize. If Russia comes out of this still on belligerent footing then spending resources to reestablish a presence will be extremely risky. Even if leadership changes and makes conciliatory noises I would expect things to still take some years before the world can trust it's authentic.

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How does countries joining a defensive alliance threaten Russia?.

Maybe if Russia stopped invading all its neighbours and all the prior USSR states, these states would stop joining NATO.

The only thing NATO stops is Russian imperialism.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by allarm »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #78
jmnicolas wrote: post #47

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No country NEEDS McDonald's.

Russia does. Look at how bizarrely long the queue to the first McDonalds in Moscow was.

It was after approx 70 years of Soviet regime. People had never seen anything like this before, during their whole life.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by ushakov »

JeromeLon wrote: post #55

I would keep the business open, add a 20% Ukraine war fee to all sales (call it special operation fee if needed), and give it to a Ukraine war relief fund.

that’s not how it works

supporting Ukraine = supporting “fascist Regime” (in Russian terms)

you know what Russia does to imaginary “fascists”

they’ll nationalize McDonalds or force sell it to oligarch

same story happened to Tinkoff Bank: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/world/europe/oligarch-put...

leaving on your own gives you more leverage than having to leave at gunpoint

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by konstmonst »

Russia is a vassal state of china and shows the direction emperor Xi wants to go, but can't afford to. They wanted to show that dictatorships are more powerfull and efficent than democracy but even the market (inkl Mc. Donalds) showed that they aren't. I wonder if humanity will survive the next maybe indiect conflict with China...

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by FpUser »

ushakov wrote: post #59
chongli wrote: post #40

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For a globally recognizable brand like McDonald's, the move to leave the country has a symbolic meaning. It sends a message to the Russian people that something is deeply wrong with the direction taken by their government. Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently, but that cannot be avoided.

> Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently Russian propaganda will say something like: “McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust” most people would believe this the blame will be shifted from Russian Government to “evil American corporation”

>“McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust”

You got me curious and I decided to check. They actually carried out reasons stated by McDnalds and respected the fact that through the whole process company has behaved responsibly towards employees and seeks their future employment as a condition for perspective buyers. I saw no signs of propaganda in the article.

https://lenta.ru/news/2022/05/16/mcdonalds/

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by heavenlyblue »

barry-cotter wrote: post #50
meragrin_ wrote: post #32

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What kind of health problems would you expect from going there once in a while? There was no mention of frequency. Going there once every month or two is not going to do much.

It’s a statement about social class disguised as one about health. Note that the insecurity tells you that they’re on some level concerned that they’ll be confused with the kind of person who eats a lot of McDonald’s. Any time you see performative hatred of something ask who the performance is for.

More like “emotional health problems tied to someone else’s misattribution of you to the lower class”

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by qalmakka »

jcranmer wrote: post #103
logifail wrote: post #24

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> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

Russia is party to several international treaties that allow it to be sued outside of Russian courts if it doesn't uphold intellectual property law, and if those suits do not go Russia's way, then it is now possible that Russian assets can be seized as compensation. Or, to oversimplify it, if Russia decides that anyone can use McDonald's trademark, then maybe Gazprom's pipelines won't be Russian anymore.

Putin cares too much about his internal front. He will gladly throw any foreign property owned by the Russian state under the bus if he thinks giving the Russians the foreign brands they are accustomed to can quell any disobedience or unrest. Either Russia takes the nationalistic route and converts all of its fast food joints to Uncle Vania's, or it will surely reopen its McDonalds while violating their brands. I don't really think they give a damn anyway, their business relations with the West are gone for good and they won't be mended any time soon.

Russia makes most of its money from primary sector exports (grains, oil, gas, minerals, ...), and that's basically the only thing they care about. They are building new markets in Asia for that, in countries like China that definitely don't give a damn about Burger King's IP or whatever. They know that unless Putin is deposed tomorrow and Russia demilitarises the Europeans will switch to LNG and North African natural gas anyway, they are just playing ball with what they have.

Also, those properties in the West would probably get confiscated or sequestered very soon anyway.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by osipov »

jcranmer wrote: post #103
logifail wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

Russia is party to several international treaties that allow it to be sued outside of Russian courts if it doesn't uphold intellectual property law, and if those suits do not go Russia's way, then it is now possible that Russian assets can be seized as compensation. Or, to oversimplify it, if Russia decides that anyone can use McDonald's trademark, then maybe Gazprom's pipelines won't be Russian anymore.

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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by avakand »

It seems that McDonald's closed stores that operated directly under their control. As a result, only stores in westert part of Russia were closed (in Moscow, Saint-Petersburg). The stores in Siberia (i.e. Novosibirsk) and in Moscow airports continued operating as usual, as they are working under franchaising. Even the mobile app continued functioning.

So not much is going to change, I think. Hell, McDonalds is even open in DNR/LNR "republics" under the name "DonMac".

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