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McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#101

I remember the evening news on TV when the first McDonald's restaurant opened in 1990 at Pushkin Square. There was a huge crowd of Russians outside, wanting to try the burger. It was a sign of a more open world, something resembling an end of the cold war. There was a sense of optimism in the West about a peaceful future with Russia. It does not matter that McD itself is closing in Russia, but it does tell us somethi…

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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#102
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

Yeah, in the short term, any property rights of foreign organizations in russia is probably not something to rely on. On the other hand, regimes do fall and organization can survive long enough for the policy in russia to change. So it makes sense at least have a claim for trademark (because right now it is really a claim, not a property, since russia can take it away any time it wants)

Remember that the local Coca Cola branch survived in Nazi Germany during the war and even launched a new product: Fanta.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#103

> The Company intends to initiate the process of “de-Arching” those restaurants, which entails no longer using the McDonald’s name, logo, branding, and menu, though the Company will continue to retain its trademarks in Russia. Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :)

> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

Russia is party to several international treaties that allow it to be sued outside of Russian courts if it doesn't uphold intellectual property law, and if those suits do not go Russia's way, then it is now possible that Russian assets can be seized as compensation.

Or, to oversimplify it, if Russia decides that anyone can use McDonald's trademark, then maybe Gazprom's pipelines won't be Russian anymore.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#104

> The Company intends to initiate the process of “de-Arching” those restaurants, which entails no longer using the McDonald’s name, logo, branding, and menu, though the Company will continue to retain its trademarks in Russia. Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :)

> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

It's like saying a prayer when your plane is about to crash and there's nothing else you can do. Probably won't amount to much, but what's the downside?

In McD's case, there's tremendous upside. Perhaps it will be feasible for them to operate there again someday.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

Russia is party to several international treaties that allow it to be sued outside of Russian courts if it doesn't uphold intellectual property law, and if those suits do not go Russia's way, then it is now possible that Russian assets can be seized as compensation. Or, to oversimplify it, if Russia decides that anyone can use McDonald's trademark, then maybe Gazprom's pipelines won't be Russian anymore.

I don't think those pipelines are very useful without gas

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#106
post #29

Something that has been bugging me for some time (genuine question, please forgive me lack of geopolitics/economy understanding) is this: Supposing we want to hurt Russian economy - how are we hurting it by stopping selling them licenses/branding/machines to make and sell burgers and fries? Are we not ripping them off money if we sell to them? As in: we gain, they lose? I understand we don't want to sell advanced tec…

Is your premise that when two parties trade, the selling party "wins" and the buying party "loses"? Ignoring the specifics of McDonald's, in general, the reason to make a trade is that both parties believe they will be better off. By not trading, it hurts both parties.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#107
post #89
post #59

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> Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently Russian propaganda will say something like: “McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust” most people would believe this the blame will be shifted from Russian Government to “evil American corporation”

Sure, but not everyone is convinced by the propaganda. Some people are just plain mad they don’t have something they used to have. We’ve tried appeasing a mad expansionist dictator in the past, didn’t go so well. This is especially keen with apple products.

Apple products can be brought from overseas

with McDonalds they would just make a clone which uses same formulas and suppliers

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#108

> The Company intends to initiate the process of “de-Arching” those restaurants, which entails no longer using the McDonald’s name, logo, branding, and menu, though the Company will continue to retain its trademarks in Russia. Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :)

> Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :) If a country has gone sufficiently rogue to invade a neighbour, respect for property[0][1] - and by extension trademarks - appears to matter very little, at least for now? [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news…

Didn't they already basically legalise pirating western software?

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#109
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're opening for me to go off-topic and talk about drug abuse here. And my opinion is that the user is at fault for consuming unhealthy amounts of X, but that we as society should help out. (See the resemblance?) (Also note that society might have failed people and led them to abuse too, but the final decision is made by the person either way). But closing the door for people who don't have issues with self-restrai…

> And my opinion is that the user is at fault for consuming unhealthy amounts of X, but that we as society should help out We have different views here, even though I admit, I used to be ambivalent about that (and about drug legalisation) until very recently. I mean, I would certainly not criminalise drug possession and drug use like it unfortunately still is the case in my country (Romania), but I've started having…

I don't think we soley disagree. I think it's essential to keep certain products out of the masses hands. These certain products are product with high "addictability" and high "abusabulity" (might be the same thing?). As a single example I'd put all opioids in that compartment. (There are more but I think this is one everyone agrees on)

Food on the other hand, while it's addictive it's also essential for literally everyone. I for example am such a lazy piece of shit that I haven't cooked in years, for me it would be devastating if the unhealty but calorie rich and affordable food went away.

That's an anecdote, but yes if access to high-calorie food is limited people are less likely to get/stay overweight.

Norway has a thing for this to reduce candy intake, they have a sugar tax. And while I'm not all for the government taking all my money, in a socialist society I think it makes perfect sense to tax something that'll cause a significant amount of people health issues to pay for it in advance. Same with cigarettes, they're super expensive in Norway, so that you've hopefully somewhat paid off your lung-cancer treatment once/if you get it.

There's no one size fits all for this, but there are definitely things we should keep out of peoples hands. I do not however think food is one of those.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

#110

> The Company intends to initiate the process of “de-Arching” those restaurants, which entails no longer using the McDonald’s name, logo, branding, and menu, though the Company will continue to retain its trademarks in Russia. Obviously they'd want to keep the trademark, otherwise they have no way to prevent those sold restaurants from "re-Arching" after the "de-Arching" :)

EDIT: This turned out to be fake - sorry. Leaving the rest of the comment here for posterity. A Russian restaurant chain "Uncle Vanya" has already filed for a trademark that looks very "inspired" by the McD arches. It is basically rotated 90 degrees and a line is added, so it looks like a "B" - which is like the letter "V" in Vanya in the cyrillic alphabet. Source: https://twitter.com/JoshGerben/status/15040821259680…

The cyrillic "Щ" (a W with a tail) is pronounced Shcha, I saw a shawarma restaurant in Russia using an upside-down McDonald's double arches, in the same yellow.
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