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McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by Chris2048 »

paganel wrote: post #36
lillecarl wrote: post #22

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I don't think McDonalds & Co are such a big health-negative in other countries as it is in the US. I've never met someone who's obese from eating Maccas in Sweden, they're obese because they eat more calories than they burn. Calling a food unhealty is quite silly to me, anything is unhealty if you consume it in unhealty amounts. The above statements obviously exclude things like cyanide and other things designed to k…

This is victim-blaming, don't you think?

Then who is the real culprit?

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by megous »

paganel wrote: post #36
lillecarl wrote: post #22

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I don't think McDonalds & Co are such a big health-negative in other countries as it is in the US. I've never met someone who's obese from eating Maccas in Sweden, they're obese because they eat more calories than they burn. Calling a food unhealty is quite silly to me, anything is unhealty if you consume it in unhealty amounts. The above statements obviously exclude things like cyanide and other things designed to k…

This is victim-blaming, don't you think?

Just because you eat more than necessary doesn't make you a victim.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by baybal2 »

klausjensen wrote: post #77

I remember the evening news on TV when the first McDonald's restaurant opened in 1990 at Pushkin Square. There was a huge crowd of Russians outside, wanting to try the burger. It was a sign of a more open world, something resembling an end of the cold war. There was a sense of optimism in the West about a peaceful future with Russia. It does not matter that McD itself is closing in Russia, but it does tell us somethi…

One of my traumas from life in Russia during my childhood is the understanding that you live in a North Korea redux, and you have McDonalds, and other Western companies from democratic countries coming here, and feeding that regime.

US politicians kept droning how terrible Russia was through whole 200X, yet allow their companies to "wage business on the free world"

Can you imagine McDonalds in Pyongyang, and Don Thompson happily fellating political commissars in their boardroom? This is how I felt Western companies were behaving.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by sega_sai »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #8

Can you sell the Russian business without violating the sanctions?

I think the problem is that they may not be allowed to bring the money outside Russia, as there are now capital controls on foreign currency. That's why there a few foreign factories, like Renault who seemed to have "sold" them for like 1 ruble.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by paganel »

lillecarl wrote: post #72
paganel wrote: post #36

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This is victim-blaming, don't you think?

You're opening for me to go off-topic and talk about drug abuse here. And my opinion is that the user is at fault for consuming unhealthy amounts of X, but that we as society should help out. (See the resemblance?) (Also note that society might have failed people and led them to abuse too, but the final decision is made by the person either way). But closing the door for people who don't have issues with self-restrai…

> And my opinion is that the user is at fault for consuming unhealthy amounts of X, but that we as society should help out

We have different views here, even though I admit, I used to be ambivalent about that (and about drug legalisation) until very recently. I mean, I would certainly not criminalise drug possession and drug use like it unfortunately still is the case in my country (Romania), but I've started having very serious doubts about legalising distribution, and in so doing "normalising" said drug use.

Back to unhealthy food, unfortunately some people are too weak to resist eating above a certain healthy threshold. There were studies that blamed the food companies themselves for that, there are other people that blame the users themselves (like you seem to do), but in the end the unhealthiness wins. That's why if the unhealthy source goes away (like in this case with Russia and McDo) I see it as a positive, no matter who was at fault the rot source is gone, that's got to be good.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

y42 wrote: post #68
klausjensen wrote: post #53

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EDIT: This turned out to be fake - sorry. Leaving the rest of the comment here for posterity. A Russian restaurant chain "Uncle Vanya" has already filed for a trademark that looks very "inspired" by the McD arches. It is basically rotated 90 degrees and a line is added, so it looks like a "B" - which is like the letter "V" in Vanya in the cyrillic alphabet. Source: https://twitter.com/JoshGerben/status/15040821259680…

Afaik that's a one month old hoax. Isnt it?

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Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by qwytw »

lnxg33k1 wrote: post #64
eropple wrote: post #56

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> How is Russia going to not be belligerent if we are even thinking about letting Sweden and Finland in NATO? That's easy: by choosing to not be belligerent to countries exercising their sovereign autonomy. "You're making me hit you!" No.

Ask cubans about exercising sovereignity against the freest world, as said in my main message, we need to give up moral superiority and understand other countries needs

For whatever reason you seem to be conflating the needs of the local dictators like Castro and Putin with the people they are ruling over. I'm not sure they are necessarily the same all the time.

Re: McDonald’s to Exit from Russia

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Post by jquery »

ushakov wrote: post #59
chongli wrote: post #40

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For a globally recognizable brand like McDonald's, the move to leave the country has a symbolic meaning. It sends a message to the Russian people that something is deeply wrong with the direction taken by their government. Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently, but that cannot be avoided.

> Of course, some Russians will interpret the move differently Russian propaganda will say something like: “McDonalds, evil American company, left our people without jobs and betrayed our trust” most people would believe this the blame will be shifted from Russian Government to “evil American corporation”

Sure, but not everyone is convinced by the propaganda. Some people are just plain mad they don’t have something they used to have. We’ve tried appeasing a mad expansionist dictator in the past, didn’t go so well.

This is especially keen with apple products.

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