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Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android, Youtube, and Maps aren't products?

While I assume they meant the one product was search, it would probably be accurate to stay that the product is advertising and that they rest exists to feed the beast. But I doubt that was the innuendo of their rant.

In the same way that television shows are all about advertising and the acting/stories/dialogue are just to 'feed the beast'?

You're confusing what Google's main product is with how they make money.

That's a bit insulting to the engineers at Google that make Search so good.

Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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Although it was a great read, to me it lacked a kind of authenticity. The first Yegge post felt real, authentic, natural and fully charged. This second one although better formatted and edited, lacked something. It just seemed obigatory and bland. It is rather amazing that you can feel emotions through words. Or am I the only one thinking this way?

I think you're being harsh. I think it was probably more considered but I'm guessing that everything he's written since THAT post has been more considered - it would be a completely natural reaction to having accidentally laid yourself bare. After all whom amongst us having accidentally forwarded an e-mail to the wrong person hasn't got a little more careful about what we say for a while afterwards? But I still think…

Ok, maybe considered is less harsh than bland.

But do you think it is a good thing?

The first time I noticed this was when I listed to the original and then studio version of 2 Pac's "Hit 'em up". In the first he was really and truly angry and you could feel it. The second version was 'just there'.

When actors and actresses get "into character" it is really clear. They mean what they act and it seems natural.

let us just say he was "in character" in the first post but not in the second.

Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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post #3

Well written! Is Jeff Bezos really like he paints him to be?

I've presented to Bezos once. It went about the same as Yegge's experience, except I didn't have his balls to laugh in my CEO's face ;) The whole thing felt like I was meeting the President - layer after layer of aides and executive assistants, tons of security, and briefings on where to sit, where to not sit, where to stand, where to not stand, look him in the eye when you shake his hand, etc etc. It was kind of sur…

"Then middle management showed up."

This should be in a collection of Famous Last Words.

Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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post #3

Well written! Is Jeff Bezos really like he paints him to be?

I have no relevant experience with anything, but my impression is that usually people who gush on about the superhuman abilities of an individual just have a skewed perspective. I've been on the receiving end of that kind of gush a time or two and I don't really feel that it's accurate in my case, and I don't believe that it's accurate in any other case. The people that talk just can't see the inadequacies and the co…

I've had that same experience -- that people exclaim how certain CEOs are so incredibly brilliant ("cerebral" was one comment that stuck in my memory), but when you meet them they just seem like any other smart person who has studied a domain for a long time.

Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android, Youtube, and Maps aren't products?

People tell me Search is popular, also.

They make search good so you'll use it and be exposed to ads. If you're not the customer, you're the product.

Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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> That is: assume he already knows everything about it. Assume he knows more than you do about it. Even if you have groundbreakingly original ideas in your material, just pretend it’s old hat for him. Write your prose in the succinct, direct, no-explanations way that you would write for a world-leading expert on the material.

So if he knows everything, why am I writing for him?

Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

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post #11

I wonder if Steve needs to move to marketing? He's done an awesome job here of highlighting one massive difference between GPlus and Facebook - that you can really publish publicly to the whole world, the way the web was intended.

This isn't a difference; you can do the same on Facebook.

Here are a couple of examples:

via a Facebook page called 'notes': http://www.facebook.com/notes/web20/robert-scoble-on-cloud-c...

via user Scoble's wall: http://www.facebook.com/RobertScoble/posts/10150358391274655.

No Facebook account needed to view either.

Re: Steve Yegge: Follow Up to His Accidentally Public Rant

#40

By the way, the most important part of the post is where he says that Google is following through on the problems he pointed out. I'd be curious to see what (if) will come out of this - if they will expose their internal services to third parties, that will be great news.

No, that was just polite talk. This isn't new -- this has been a glaring issue for a while. And if they were serious about it, Brin wouldn't have replied so flippantly. Google is just a one product company (with Gmail being the exception that proves the rule) lacking the humility and gravitas to be more.

"Stood Far Back When The Gravitas Was Handed Out"

"Experiencing a Significant Gravitas Shortfall"

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