Intel's New Chimera: Alder Lake

Post by hallway_monitor » Sun, May 15, 2022, 12:50 PM UTC

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It’s also not very intensive, especially since video decode usually runs on the GPU. (Or it should - browsers are not always very good about this but the tools are there, they just don’t want to pay licensing fees to use them.) I always cringe a bit when people insist they need 6 cores “so they can have discord and Spotify open while they game”. People don’t generally have a very good intuitive sense of just how litt…

Sure chat apps and video playback are light, but what isn't is browsing the web. Web browsing has become a heavy task. If you tried to install a browser and then use it today on a core 2 duo, you'd have a very bad time. And everyone browses the web, usually quite a bit.

Post by adam_arthur » Sun, May 15, 2022, 12:55 PM UTC

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AMD beats them because they are a process node ahead. Dunno why every comment implies there's some design gap that leads to M1 or AMD being more powerful or efficient. It's 90% the process node. There is no magic design sauce that makes those chips better. The big/little design change did seem to improve performance quite a bit for Intel, even using the same manufacturing node as before

There is a massive design gap between all Apple designed chips and non Apple designed chips. Apple’s chips are ridiculously humongous. They’re built for extremely wide, high performance applications for the past 10 years. A single A14 core can do 64 32-bit floating point operations in a single clock cycle. AMD/Intel were long at 16 operations and only the latest Intel went up to 32 operations.

Post by rbanffy » Sun, May 15, 2022, 1:21 PM UTC

adam_arthur wrote: post #143

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There is a massive design gap between all Apple designed chips and non Apple designed chips. Apple’s chips are ridiculously humongous. They’re built for extremely wide, high performance applications for the past 10 years. A single A14 core can do 64 32-bit floating point operations in a single clock cycle. AMD/Intel were long at 16 operations and only the latest Intel went up to 32 operations.

Well, Intel's latest chip has better performance than M1 despite being two process nodes behind. So not sure what you're going on about

Post by kkielhofner » Sun, May 15, 2022, 1:23 PM UTC

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It's worth making it explicit that many home computing tasks are highly parrallelizable because the work is actually completely separate programs. If you watch a video while writing a document in word, that's trivially parrallelizable.

It’s also not very intensive, especially since video decode usually runs on the GPU. (Or it should - browsers are not always very good about this but the tools are there, they just don’t want to pay licensing fees to use them.) I always cringe a bit when people insist they need 6 cores “so they can have discord and Spotify open while they game”. People don’t generally have a very good intuitive sense of just how litt…

Post by rbanffy » Sun, May 15, 2022, 1:26 PM UTC

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Personally I don't really see a point in having a hybrid architecture like this unless it'll lead to massively increased core counts, and so far it doesn't look like it does. AMD still beats Intel in both core counts and power efficiency, and they're only using P cores so... what's the point of having E cores? But maybe that's just because it's a first generation technology for Intel? I hope things improve in the fut…

It's quite possible AMD has plans for this type of thing as well: despite their cores being more energy efficient and powerful per watt than Intel, I don't think they can match Apple yet (some of that is due to 5 nm process though). They have a patent for something similar at least: https://wccftech.com/amd-big-little-processor-cores-show-up-...