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Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

"keep schools open until 6" is one of these things that clearly demonstrates that people really don't understand how government works.

If you want your schools open until six, take it up with your school board, not the freakin' president.

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>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

"Is that really what's holding manufacturing back here?" While I also have various ideological preconceptions about the source of the economic problems in the US and elsewhere, I would observe that when someone like the CEO of Apple is expressing an opinion about what makes a factory easier to open in China than in the US, someone who has actually been the guy-who-can-say-yes to actual factories for which that decisi…

Jobs was a businessman, not an economist.

There is a good reason regulation makes it more expensive to open factories in the US: our regulations force companies to internalize the negative externalities their businesses create. China effectively subsidizes industry by forcing its citizens to bear the costs of pollution, injuries, etc, inherent in such activities. US regulation forces companies to bear some of these costs (hardly all of them).

In its retrospective study on the 1970 Clean Air Act, the EPA estimated that the benefit of pollution control over the 20 year period was on the order of $22 trillion. Relative to the "so-called 'no-control' case, an additional 205,000 Americans would have died prematurely and millions more would have suffered illnesses ranging from mild respiratory symptoms to heart disease, chronic bronchitis, asthma attacks, and other severe respiratory problems... the lack of Clean Air Act controls on the use of leaded gasoline would have resulted in major increases in child IQ loss and adult hypertension, heart disease, and stroke." Meanwhile, "the actual costs of achieving the pollution reductions observed over the 20 year period were $523 billion, a small fraction of the estimated monetary benefits."

What's good for business isn't necessarily good for the economy. The things that businessmen push for: deregulation, limitations on tort liability, etc, create more in costs to society then they create in benefits to businesses. Indeed, our measurements of things like GDP are so fundamentally flawed that they encourage politicians to adopt such measures. If a factory's poisonous emissions causes you to have lung problems, that doesn't count against GDP, but when you seek medical attention for those problems GDP goes up!

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The text "turning Jobs down on making campaign" isn't in the article. It says "he’d become annoyed when Obama’s strategist David Axelrod wasn’t totally deferential" which makes it sound more like Jobs' issues were the barrier to cooperation.

Well, to be blunt, if you are going to get Picasso to design your logo you _don't_ art direct him. And you try your best not to piss him off. Because he's fucking Picasso... You don't have to use what he makes, but if you want genius, and why else would you want Jobs and his team to design an ad, you ask politely and then get out of the way. Edit: Somewhere online I read an article about Jobs getting Paul Rand (edite…

It's not clear Jobs' judgement would work similar magic in politics.

FYI: Jobs had Paul Rand do the NeXT logo.

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Is that really what's holding manufacturing back here?" While I also have various ideological preconceptions about the source of the economic problems in the US and elsewhere, I would observe that when someone like the CEO of Apple is expressing an opinion about what makes a factory easier to open in China than in the US, someone who has actually been the guy-who-can-say-yes to actual factories for which that decisi…

Jobs was a businessman, not an economist. There is a good reason regulation makes it more expensive to open factories in the US: our regulations force companies to internalize the negative externalities their businesses create. China effectively subsidizes industry by forcing its citizens to bear the costs of pollution, injuries, etc, inherent in such activities. US regulation forces companies to bear some of these c…

> In its retrospective study on the 1970 Clean Air Act, the EPA estimated that the benefit of pollution control over the 20 year period was on the order of $22 trillion.

$22T/20 years is over $1T/year. US GDP in 1990 was under $6T. US GDP in 1970 was just over $1T.

> the lack of Clean Air Act controls on the use of leaded gasoline would have resulted in major increases in child IQ loss

Oh really? Why would leaded gas in 1980 cause more problems than leaded gas in 1950?

> Meanwhile, "the actual costs of achieving the pollution reductions observed over the 20 year period were $523 billion, a small fraction of the estimated monetary benefits."

Just as the benefits are not limited to the money not spent on medical care, the money spent on pollution controls are not the only costs.

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Jobs proposed … that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.

"He had walked several kilometres over pavements, and his varicose ulcer was throbbing. This was the second time in three weeks that he had missed an evening at the Community Centre: a rash act, since you could be certain that the number of your attendances at the Centre was carefully checked. In principle a Party member had no spare time, and was never alone except in bed. It was assumed that when he was not working, eating, or sleeping he would be taking part in some kind of communal recreation: to do anything that suggested a taste for solitude, even to go for a walk by yourself, was always slightly dangerous. There was a word for it in Newspeak: OWNLIFE, it was called, meaning individualism and eccentricity."

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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post #61
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>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

"keep schools open until 6" is one of these things that clearly demonstrates that people really don't understand how government works. If you want your schools open until six, take it up with your school board, not the freakin' president.

Yeah, but if you want all schools to be open until six, I'd say the president is a reasonable place to start that discussion.

(That's not to say that I think this (good) idea could ever be implemented in the USA, though.)

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs was a businessman, not an economist. There is a good reason regulation makes it more expensive to open factories in the US: our regulations force companies to internalize the negative externalities their businesses create. China effectively subsidizes industry by forcing its citizens to bear the costs of pollution, injuries, etc, inherent in such activities. US regulation forces companies to bear some of these c…

> In its retrospective study on the 1970 Clean Air Act, the EPA estimated that the benefit of pollution control over the 20 year period was on the order of $22 trillion. $22T/20 years is over $1T/year. US GDP in 1990 was under $6T. US GDP in 1970 was just over $1T. > the lack of Clean Air Act controls on the use of leaded gasoline would have resulted in major increases in child IQ loss Oh really? Why would leaded gas…

> Why would leaded gas in 1980 cause more problems than leaded gas in 1950?

Larger population and rising wages lead to more cars on the roads and hence more pollution?

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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post #61
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>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

"keep schools open until 6" is one of these things that clearly demonstrates that people really don't understand how government works. If you want your schools open until six, take it up with your school board, not the freakin' president.

funding usually doesn't happen on that level. It would be state-level (or fed), unless the district could pass a bond measure to fund it alone.

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

>>keep schools open until 6 >Sounds great, how do you fund it? Reduce the "defense" budget. I wouldn't be surprised if you did the calculations and found out that schools could be open 24/7 with minor tweaks to the budget allocation. It is not a matter of funding, it is only a matter of priorities. Education and research should be first on the list. I believe Jobs was right, once again.

I have no idea if the math works as you say but the federal government doesn't fund primary education. That is all done at the local and state level and so it isn't just a matter of tweaking the federal budget (as if that itself was easy).

I think the bigger problem is that teacher's unions have created a calcified public education system that is risk and change adverse. Hard to experiment with new ideas in that environment.

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>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

"Is that really what's holding manufacturing back here?" While I also have various ideological preconceptions about the source of the economic problems in the US and elsewhere, I would observe that when someone like the CEO of Apple is expressing an opinion about what makes a factory easier to open in China than in the US, someone who has actually been the guy-who-can-say-yes to actual factories for which that decisi…

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