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Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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I'm sorry, but when somebody tells you "we will ship you 7000 miles away to fight in a different continent" and you accept, you share at least some part of the responsibility. There would be no wars without greedy politicians, but there would be no wars without soldiers too.

I hear where you are coming from, but the discussion is out of place, reeks of privilege and lacks perspective.

This and also is naive and knowledge of what a soldier is.

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The politics are important to understand, but it’s insensitive to bring this up in the context of an individual soldier’s account of this situation. Like, great work with the virtue signalling, you’re very clever and informed. Maybe try reading the room a bit and being a bit more compassionate toward people who have no influence in these politics?

I'm sorry, but when somebody tells you "we will ship you 7000 miles away to fight in a different continent" and you accept, you share at least some part of the responsibility. There would be no wars without greedy politicians, but there would be no wars without soldiers too.

None of that is salient.

Propaganda is an effective drag net. We're all susceptible to some form of it. Outright lying works more effectively than it should.

You're just looking for a morale high ground, no need to pretend otherwise.

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Interesting, thanks for sharing. A few things stand out (spoilers of course) - the Chairman of Deutsche Bank had an armoured convoy with two vehicles with bodyguards. It makes sense seeing that someone was trying to kill him, but outside of that context it seems a lot. Most European politicians, including heads of state and government, have less today. Second, he bled to death. I wonder what circumstances led to this…

Also rather interesting that Vladimir Putin is thought to have been involved as the RAF handler, if those sources are veritable.

Also I heard on a History podcast, but can’t yet find any supporting evidence, that the Soviet Union funded the anti-nuclear power movement in West Germany leading to a dependence on Russian Gas.

Like I said if this is credible there should be some evidence, but I’d conjecture that perhaps Putin could have been part of that too

I’d have thought people would be crowing about that if it was the case.

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Mortar rounds are already the correct shape with fins to stabilize the flight path. Various irregular and insurgent forces have already weaponized the larger consumer drones with a rack that can release a single mortar round straight down. If the drone is hovering and there isn't much wind then the mortar round will fall straight down and detonate on impact. In some cases they may also have made minor modifications t…

> If the drone is hovering and there isn't much wind then the mortar round will fall straight down and detonate on impact. Dive bombing. These drones should be dive bombing. WW2 strategy to increase precision and placement of the bomb. Only lesser-trained pilots glide-bombed or otherwise avoided dive-bombing in WW2. I don't think the let-go at height maneuver is historically considered very good. By dive bombing, you…

Aircaft with fixed wings have pretty stable fast forward motion. Diving makes use of that, and the initial speed and vector of the ordnance is the speed/vector of the aircraft. After deployment, high g is needed to avoid hitting the ground.

A multi-rotor drone (what the videos seem to be shot from) cannot fly fast, and cannot pull the high gees after drop. Dive bombing won't help much. Likely even a controlled flight into the target (kamikaze) would end up slower (final velocity) than just dropping, making the drone a much easier target for small arms fire than just the bomb alone.

Fixed wing drones - different story. Getting them back to the ground in a reusable way requires effort, simply flying into the target seems to make more sense. The big reusable ones usually carry self-guided amunitions.

A combination of remote controlled, fast, high payload, high-g capable, and reusable would likely not be cost-effective (losses to be expected in any case).

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If you're going to play around with explosives, an old knowledgeable teacher is best. I imagine incompetence gets weeded out early. The guy in the video has been in quite a few others too. It's fun to see how the hosts are usually a little nervous and he's calm as can be.

"What makes me a good Demoman? Well if I were a bad Demoman, I wouldn't be sitting here discussing it with you, now would I?" One of the silliest, hilarious but on point thing I've ever heard uttered from a video game character

It strikes me that if you work with modern explosives and follow sensible procedures like retiring to a safe distance, the risks to you are not that high. The risks in a demolition are huge, but not to the life of the explosives guy. I can imagine the job of weakening the structure, (by removing parts of it) prior to the explosives carry more risk to the operator

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Also rather interesting that Vladimir Putin is thought to have been involved as the RAF handler, if those sources are veritable.

Also I heard on a History podcast, but can’t yet find any supporting evidence, that the Soviet Union funded the anti-nuclear power movement in West Germany leading to a dependence on Russian Gas. Like I said if this is credible there should be some evidence, but I’d conjecture that perhaps Putin could have been part of that too I’d have thought people would be crowing about that if it was the case.

In a similar vein, albeit with less geopolitics, Big Oil companies funded various environmental groups' anti-nuclear stances and protests, in order to solidify their grip on the energy market.

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this is compounded by the fact that much of the armor on the ground in ukraine does not actually seem to feature the advanced defenses developed during the soviet era, like ERA. i've seen several photos of what appears to be decoy ERA on destroyed t-72's, which was nothing more than a hollow brick of steel. i suspect graft or a weak economy is the reason.

the source of these pictures are all from ukraine. it's not far fetched to think they removed era and planted inert spacer to demoralize the enemy. in general, while the fog of war is in full effect, I wouldn't trust any one-sided intel.

How would fake lack of ERA demoralise the enemy when the enemy is getting destroyed anyhow, even if they have ERA? (And in your scenario, if it did have ERA)

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Makes me wonder, back at the time, when you went there -- how much did you believe in what the politicians and military commanders said about weapons of mass destruction etc, if I may ask? Sorry for the ones who died

No, I don't think many people did. But as a soldier you don't have a choice, you go where you are told.

Just following orders ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

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Also rather interesting that Vladimir Putin is thought to have been involved as the RAF handler, if those sources are veritable.

Also I heard on a History podcast, but can’t yet find any supporting evidence, that the Soviet Union funded the anti-nuclear power movement in West Germany leading to a dependence on Russian Gas. Like I said if this is credible there should be some evidence, but I’d conjecture that perhaps Putin could have been part of that too I’d have thought people would be crowing about that if it was the case.

Even now, talking about it would lead to a quicker swing back to nuclear power hurting russia's interests.

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In the US/Iraq war such contraptions were commonly referred to as EFPs (explosively formed penetrators). My platoon was once hit by a four-array EFP that was hung behind a cement wall (US forces would often line streets with barricades like this) so we couldn't see it. It went through the concrete wall, the humvee, and took some legs with it. Brutal things they were. We avoided prolonged truck excursions, but I remem…

I think you mean the US invasion of Iraq

I think you mean the US invasion of Iraq under completely false pretences
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