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Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by Brian_K_White »

foucalt-apathy wrote: post #133
Brian_K_White wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's like that old picture of the grass straw driven through the telephone pole by nothing but hurricane wind? The flimsy straw could do it simply because of how fast it was moving. The strength of the straw doesn't matter, simply it's mass, moving that fast, carries itself through, ie the leading edge is not being pushed from behind like a nail, more like a bullet with a string attached? Setting aside the simplif…

Are you certain that a hurricane can blow a straw through a telephone pole? I hadn't heard of this phenomenon and was interested. I was unable to find a good source. According to this article, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association thinks it's not possible: https://www.livescience.com/39270-tornado-straw-into-tree-wo... (Alternative explanation in the article: the tree twists during the hurricane, cracks te…

The picture (perhaps multiple but at least one) was a piece of hay poked right through a telephone pole, in the aftermath of some kind of storm. Not a tree. It was shown in grade school in the 80s or late 70s.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

bottled_poe wrote: post #198
jade-m wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean the US invasion of Iraq

The politics are important to understand, but it’s insensitive to bring this up in the context of an individual soldier’s account of this situation. Like, great work with the virtue signalling, you’re very clever and informed. Maybe try reading the room a bit and being a bit more compassionate toward people who have no influence in these politics?

I'm sorry, but when somebody tells you "we will ship you 7000 miles away to fight in a different continent" and you accept, you share at least some part of the responsibility.

There would be no wars without greedy politicians, but there would be no wars without soldiers too.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by sofixa »

hedgehog wrote: post #179
hunter-gatherer wrote: post #136

In the US/Iraq war such contraptions were commonly referred to as EFPs (explosively formed penetrators). My platoon was once hit by a four-array EFP that was hung behind a cement wall (US forces would often line streets with barricades like this) so we couldn't see it. It went through the concrete wall, the humvee, and took some legs with it. Brutal things they were. We avoided prolonged truck excursions, but I remem…

Devious. The assassination of Alfred Herrhausen is I think the textbook example of this technique: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Herrhausen

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

A few things stand out (spoilers of course) - the Chairman of Deutsche Bank had an armoured convoy with two vehicles with bodyguards. It makes sense seeing that someone was trying to kill him, but outside of that context it seems a lot. Most European politicians, including heads of state and government, have less today.

Second, he bled to death. I wonder what circumstances led to this, was the car too badly mangled and nobody could come to his aid? It's not something that happens instantaneously, i think, so there's some time to react. But maybe the blood loss couldn't be stopped ( severed legs, is there something that could be done? Would a tourniquet help?). No idea

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by kepler1 »

londons_explore wrote: post #193
supernova87a wrote: post #160

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Doesn't the BBC contract out to production companies so that they're not liable as a huge organization for one small show's dumb actions? Seems odd, but maybe that's not a thing in the UK.

UK courts generally see through such things.

See through some things, but not through others? How about hiding billions of pounds worth of corrupt money in London real estate? Not so much.

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Post by jade-m »

bottled_poe wrote: post #198
jade-m wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean the US invasion of Iraq

The politics are important to understand, but it’s insensitive to bring this up in the context of an individual soldier’s account of this situation. Like, great work with the virtue signalling, you’re very clever and informed. Maybe try reading the room a bit and being a bit more compassionate toward people who have no influence in these politics?

I understand where you're coming from. But as an Iraqi who have lived through the "war" and having several family members and close friends who were killed in the war (all civilians), I can't help but consider the objectivity in naming here as insensitive to the half-million Iraqis who were killed in the war. Not to mention destabilizing the middle east forever.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by spiffistan »

sofixa wrote: post #203
hedgehog wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devious. The assassination of Alfred Herrhausen is I think the textbook example of this technique: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Herrhausen

Interesting, thanks for sharing. A few things stand out (spoilers of course) - the Chairman of Deutsche Bank had an armoured convoy with two vehicles with bodyguards. It makes sense seeing that someone was trying to kill him, but outside of that context it seems a lot. Most European politicians, including heads of state and government, have less today. Second, he bled to death. I wonder what circumstances led to this…

Also rather interesting that Vladimir Putin is thought to have been involved as the RAF handler, if those sources are veritable.

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Post by jhgb »

jakear wrote: post #185
jade-m wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean the US invasion of Iraq

Vouched for this. Names are important, it’s disingenuous to suggest US and Iraq played an equal role in initiating the engagement. Do we call it the Russia/Ukraine war or the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Both, since one is a part of the other. The way I get it, the major asymmetry between the two cases is that the US invasion of Iraq was the initial phase of the Iraq war (which had already ended), whereas the Russian invasion of Ukraine is the terminal (and current) phase of the Russo-Ukrainian war (which hasn't ended yet).

So if you're talking about these things today, it makes perfect sense to talk about the invasion in progress as it's the current event. If you bring up the Russo-Ukrainian war in a conversation, it's unclear about what part of the events since 2014 you're talking about, since presumably if you were talking about the current events, you'd be more specific. If you talk about the Iraq War, there can be no confusion with current events since it ended a decade ago.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by bottled_poe »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #202
bottled_poe wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The politics are important to understand, but it’s insensitive to bring this up in the context of an individual soldier’s account of this situation. Like, great work with the virtue signalling, you’re very clever and informed. Maybe try reading the room a bit and being a bit more compassionate toward people who have no influence in these politics?

I'm sorry, but when somebody tells you "we will ship you 7000 miles away to fight in a different continent" and you accept, you share at least some part of the responsibility. There would be no wars without greedy politicians, but there would be no wars without soldiers too.

I hear where you are coming from, but the discussion is out of place, reeks of privilege and lacks perspective.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by megapolitics »

kepler1 wrote: post #204
londons_explore wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK courts generally see through such things.

See through some things, but not through others? How about hiding billions of pounds worth of corrupt money in London real estate? Not so much.

That’s more of a problem of a lack of cases brought by the government than a problem with the courts. The courts have generally seen through such things quite well when the government actually brings forward cases.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by account-5 »

leaflets2 wrote: post #196
account-5 wrote: post #192

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> The Iraq War was a protracted armed conflict in Iraq from 2003 to 2011 that began with the *invasion of Iraq by the United States–led coalition*... Whilst I agree that the preceding comments are off topic with their own inflammatory agenda's I do think it's important in generally acknowledging the war was caused by a US led invasion based on lies. Disclaimer: I fought there and lost people there, and after, but tha…

Makes me wonder, back at the time, when you went there -- how much did you believe in what the politicians and military commanders said about weapons of mass destruction etc, if I may ask? Sorry for the ones who died

No, I don't think many people did. But as a soldier you don't have a choice, you go where you are told.
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