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Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by kodah »

jakear wrote: post #185
jade-m wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you mean the US invasion of Iraq

Vouched for this. Names are important, it’s disingenuous to suggest US and Iraq played an equal role in initiating the engagement. Do we call it the Russia/Ukraine war or the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Is it disingenuous to speak authoritatively on a subject that one doesn't bother to google? Is it also disingenuous to vouch for someone making an inflammatory comment intended on derailing discussion, especially when that discussion is threaded from someone reliving their experience with explosive projectiles?

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by account-5 »

IMTDb wrote: post #186
jakear wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vouched for this. Names are important, it’s disingenuous to suggest US and Iraq played an equal role in initiating the engagement. Do we call it the Russia/Ukraine war or the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

We call them : The Iraq War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War ) and the Russo-Ukrainian War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War ) This is a discussion about a special kind of explosive and a first hand story on how it is used in a conflict. Leave politics aside.

> The Iraq War was a protracted armed conflict in Iraq from 2003 to 2011 that began with the *invasion of Iraq by the United States–led coalition*...

Whilst I agree that the preceding comments are off topic with their own inflammatory agenda's I do think it's important in generally acknowledging the war was caused by a US led invasion based on lies.

Disclaimer: I fought there and lost people there, and after, but thankfully came out unscathed.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by londons_explore »

supernova87a wrote: post #160
htk wrote: post #131

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That’s why he was awarded around half of what he demanded, because BBC shared the responsibility by accepting the stunt, but he was also responsible for doing it.

Doesn't the BBC contract out to production companies so that they're not liable as a huge organization for one small show's dumb actions? Seems odd, but maybe that's not a thing in the UK.

UK courts generally see through such things.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by panqueque »

sophacles wrote: post #130
bawolff wrote: post #105

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Survivorship bias personified

But... in a field where being bad at your job is fatal, is it really a fallacy? Serious question - just like quoting an expert in the relevant topic isn't an appeal to authority, etc.

> just like quoting an expert in the relevant topic isn't an appeal to authority, etc.

The credentials of the expert don't determine whether or not the statement is an appeal to authority.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by londons_explore »

StringyBob wrote: post #80
anfractuosity wrote: post #8

Dr Alford also designed water-lined shaped charges for disrupting IEDs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Alford#Early_Inventions

Am I reading this right? That section also says he made shape charges out of cucumber that could cut steel!

Cucumber is basically water that you can cut to shape with a knife.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by leaflets2 »

account-5 wrote: post #192
IMTDb wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We call them : The Iraq War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War ) and the Russo-Ukrainian War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War ) This is a discussion about a special kind of explosive and a first hand story on how it is used in a conflict. Leave politics aside.

> The Iraq War was a protracted armed conflict in Iraq from 2003 to 2011 that began with the *invasion of Iraq by the United States–led coalition*... Whilst I agree that the preceding comments are off topic with their own inflammatory agenda's I do think it's important in generally acknowledging the war was caused by a US led invasion based on lies. Disclaimer: I fought there and lost people there, and after, but tha…

Makes me wonder, back at the time, when you went there -- how much did you believe in what the politicians and military commanders said about weapons of mass destruction etc, if I may ask?

Sorry for the ones who died

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

kodah wrote: post #191
jakear wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vouched for this. Names are important, it’s disingenuous to suggest US and Iraq played an equal role in initiating the engagement. Do we call it the Russia/Ukraine war or the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Is it disingenuous to speak authoritatively on a subject that one doesn't bother to google? Is it also disingenuous to vouch for someone making an inflammatory comment intended on derailing discussion, especially when that discussion is threaded from someone reliving their experience with explosive projectiles?

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Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by bottled_poe »

jade-m wrote: post #182
hunter-gatherer wrote: post #136

In the US/Iraq war such contraptions were commonly referred to as EFPs (explosively formed penetrators). My platoon was once hit by a four-array EFP that was hung behind a cement wall (US forces would often line streets with barricades like this) so we couldn't see it. It went through the concrete wall, the humvee, and took some legs with it. Brutal things they were. We avoided prolonged truck excursions, but I remem…

I think you mean the US invasion of Iraq

The politics are important to understand, but it’s insensitive to bring this up in the context of an individual soldier’s account of this situation. Like, great work with the virtue signalling, you’re very clever and informed. Maybe try reading the room a bit and being a bit more compassionate toward people who have no influence in these politics?

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by noneeeed »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #152
itsyaboi wrote: post #96

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This is bizarre. He knowingly, purposefully took the place of a crash test dummy? Why?

I assume he was focused on doing the experiment he (and dozens of other people) lost sight of the consequences. As we say in America: “Hold my beer.” Edit: Or more charitably, they underestimated the consequences.

Pretty much the latter.

This wasn’t Jackass, it was a science programme and he was the resident engineer. In theory he knew what he was doing but underestimated the risks and paid the personal consequences.

Re: Shaped Charges – Sheet of copper going through 1ft of solid steel (2010) [video]

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Post by avereveard »

nyolfen wrote: post #166
tootie wrote: post #139

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Great video on the engineering of the Javelin and why it's so simple and effective: https://youtu.be/SUdHzKRiBX8 The Javelin has multiple tricks up its sleeve to defeat sophisticated armor and Russian armor is just behind the curve. It's a literal arms race to add more layers of defense and more layers of attack and right now, NATO is far ahead.

this is compounded by the fact that much of the armor on the ground in ukraine does not actually seem to feature the advanced defenses developed during the soviet era, like ERA. i've seen several photos of what appears to be decoy ERA on destroyed t-72's, which was nothing more than a hollow brick of steel. i suspect graft or a weak economy is the reason.

the source of these pictures are all from ukraine. it's not far fetched to think they removed era and planted inert spacer to demoralize the enemy. in general, while the fog of war is in full effect, I wouldn't trust any one-sided intel.
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