You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016) • Hacker News Board

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by CuriousSkeptic » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:09 PM UTC

legerdemain wrote: post #350

CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #235

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WHO recently released a report on obesity in europe[1] Stressing, among other things, that obesity is a chronic disease starting very early in life, indeed even before conception, and cannot be treated as an individual failing. They also point out that health professionals should focus not on weight loss, but on life long prevention of comorbidities. To which end various treatment options are available. Weight loss m…

> obesity is a chronic disease starting very early in life, indeed even before conception I'm very curious about your thoughts on life before conception. Does the unborn infant soul inhere in the egg? And if it does, are you suggesting that some people are conceived with fat souls ?

The report links to the science

But the basics of it is that paternal health impact sperm selection, and maternal health impacts the hormonal environment shaping genetic expressions of the developing child.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by atchoo » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:17 PM UTC

jimmydoreornot wrote: post #293

mathverse wrote: post #254

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Have you tried protein heavy diet? Just try drinking protein whey protein powder drinks the whole day for a week and see what it does to you. I dont have a problem with losing weight but It's incredibly difficult and annoying to get lean and burn fat while building muscles. I literally cant force myself to eat more if I try to do at least 200g protein every day. 2xmozarella light (42g protein), 2x66 protein drinks (1…

I'll try it.

Oh god please don't, it's a terrible idea and recipe for gastric distress.

I've gone too far with protein shakes and felt terrible. I'm a body builder and have used almost all diets as I've bulk and cut. A protein shake only diet is effectively a Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF) - zero carbs, zero fat, but shakes only is just the worst way to do it. Lyle McDonald's "Rapid Fat Loss Diet" is popular PSMF and more sensible. Focus on white fish, lean meats and moderate green vegetable with planned periodic cheat meals. Be in no doubt that it's an extreme crash diet with negative hormonal consequences. If you don't have a compelling reason to crash diet, I wouldn't do it.

The benefits I experienced with a PSMF are similar to keto which is much more sustainable with fat. Once I cut out carbs, my appetite just disappears. Without carbs, I don't get hungry as such, instead I get type of tiredness which indicates I should eat. The desire aspect of eating drops off which prevents overeating.

Doing keto for the first time was brutal for me though. 2-3 weeks of keto-flu - tired and ill feeling. But after adapting it's easy. These days I can snap in and out of keto without noticing any ill effects at all.

After 15+ years of various forms of diet, my main trick for cutting is just to eat less desirable food. Don't buy food I can lose control with. Don't use condiments that make things tasty. That turns out to be easier than portion control with delicious food but it's likely a personal thing.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by eismcc » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:17 PM UTC

Great article. Even as an endurance athlete I struggle to lose weight w/o intermittent fasting and I can only do that in the off-season. Knowing your body comp also will help understand what’s going on - get a smart scale.

One metric I find useful is that if you don’t wake hungry you are probably eating too much. Dial back slightly until you wake hungry.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by sowbug » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:18 PM UTC

xurukefi wrote: post #278

jimmydoreornot wrote: post #232

While correct and useful advice for some people, this advice is useless for many (I suspect most) overweight and obese people. I'm on the border of overweight/obese. I can lose weight if I focus on losing weight. I've dropped from 100kg to 74kg and back. I've gone back down to 91kg and back. How? Eating less, of course. By counting calories. But here is the problem. Anything below 95kg and my body and mind is hyper a…

It's genetics. I think it's called the set point theory. You're genetically programmed to keep a certain body fat percentage. Anything below (or above) that set point and you're body will regulate your appetite with hormones. You can manipulate this set point with things like diet or exercise, but there is only so much you can do. If you're genetically programmed to keep a body fat percentage of 25% for example you'r…

Check out The Shangri-La Diet by Seth Roberts for a way to hack your set point with a daily tablespoon of flavorless cooking oil. I'm sure someone on the web has written up the details if you don't want to read the book.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by qgin » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:31 PM UTC

hombre_fatal wrote: post #190

qgin wrote: post #40

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I can overeat 1000 calories without even trying. It would take me 4-5 hours to walk off 1000 calories.

They must be one of those people who can eat a McDonalds double quarter pounder + fries (1000 calories) and be good for the day. They'd be horrified how many of those combos I could eat in an hour while easily enjoying it.

Add a large coke and you can easily hit 1500 in one meal. 1 lunch, 1 dinner, a snack, and a nice healthy breakfast and you can easily clear 4000-5000 a day without feeling like you ate an abnormal amount.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by ThrowITout4321 » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:31 PM UTC

jimmydoreornot wrote: post #232

While correct and useful advice for some people, this advice is useless for many (I suspect most) overweight and obese people. I'm on the border of overweight/obese. I can lose weight if I focus on losing weight. I've dropped from 100kg to 74kg and back. I've gone back down to 91kg and back. How? Eating less, of course. By counting calories. But here is the problem. Anything below 95kg and my body and mind is hyper a…

I've been told that the reason carbs are such a problem is that once metabolized into glucose the body has to produce insulin to balance the blood sugar. Eventually this process makes us hungry especially if we eat too many carbs.

One way to reduce the affect of excess carbs is to follow a low glycemic diet similar to what people with diabetes follow. You might want to look into it.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by csours » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:43 PM UTC

CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #235

csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

WHO recently released a report on obesity in europe[1] Stressing, among other things, that obesity is a chronic disease starting very early in life, indeed even before conception, and cannot be treated as an individual failing. They also point out that health professionals should focus not on weight loss, but on life long prevention of comorbidities. To which end various treatment options are available. Weight loss m…

I think this is correct for health concerns. I'm also motivated to enjoy nature by hiking, biking, skiing, etc, and I can't enjoy myself doing those things right now.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by ThrowITout4321 » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:46 PM UTC

csours wrote: post #73

I weigh 350 pounds. I'm very obese. I know this. When I was a teenager, I looked at people who weighed 300+ pounds and though, how do you get that way. Don't you realize that you are gaining weight? Don't you know that you just have to eat less to lose weight? Anyway, now I realize that I am hungry. It never goes away unless I eat a significant amount of food. My body told me to eat, so I ate. It doesn't even take th…

Just a note, I've lost significant weight by having just one meal a day and snacking thru the day. The key is to plan your day's food and snacks and not to have extra food ready to eat. Why one meal? I found that every time I sat down to eat it would be a struggle not to over eat. So to reduce the possibility of over eating I only do it once a day.

Counting on willpower to help you lose weight is a lost cause for most people. The key is to put yourself in situations where you can't over eat and/or you have to follow what your past self thought was good for you.

Your weight loss should be gradual but consistent. People want to lose all the weight in a short time but they never reflect that it took years to gain the weight. It should take a while to lose it.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by paintman252 » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:52 PM UTC

hypersoar wrote: post #300

I'm sick of the "it's just calories in, calories out, idiot!" bullshit. It's at least partially wrong an woefully incomplete. Telling a fat person to eat less is like telling a depressed person to get out more. I know because I've been at the receiving end of both. For one thing, it ignores that the calorie consumer has feelings. First, running a calorie deficit makes you physiologically hungry. You can fight the hun…

"And those benefits to dieting are very much "potential". Study after study has shown that diets don't work in the long term; people usually gain the weight back."

I'm sorry, but this is misleading BS. Studies have found that diets don't work for most people cause most people just suck at sticking to diets, not because CICO is somehow fundamentally flawed. To imply the second is dishonest.

It would be like saying that suggesting people to work out to get in shape is useless cause studies have found that most people don't stick to exercise plans.

"Leave fat people the fuck alone about their diets."

Unfortunately we can't. Cause obesity is a real public health crisis and diets is why. That's not to say that we should encourage fat shaming. But we need to be honest and not coddle people

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much (2016)

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Post by ProtoAES256 » Sat, May 14, 2022, 11:56 PM UTC

People like me who are obese(I'm Obese III) can't control the urge to keep intake food, which is a death spiral loop(we know!).

I suspect that this is partially influenced by gut bacteria, which sounds like pointing fingers to blame something instead of not enough "self-esteem".

It's more of multiple factors in motion, while the effects apart from self determination are heavily downplayed.

I'm currently trying to shake down some of my weight, but as soon as I started consume less, my mind gets fuzzy and work will not get done. And my blood sugar gets dangerously low. Counterintuitive I know, heh.

I hope for that one day I'll break the vicious cycle.